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this is Leslie Kane and you're listening

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to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and I've got the

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first guest of 2023 on with me feeling

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re-energized and happy to be back I'd

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like to bring in UK based investigator

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researcher and author of The ever

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popular truth proof series I've got Paul

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Sinclair on the podcast with me Paul

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welcome

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Andy thank you it's been a long time

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coming and I'm really happy to be

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talking to you today as Paul um Paul was

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meant to be on last month but just

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because of the excessive fee that he was

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asking for we had to negotiate back and

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forward then

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no not at all I'm not supposed to tell

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him that unless it life gets in the way

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doesn't it I'd just been on your podcast

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a few days before we were due to record

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then festive period things moving about

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um it's been delayed slightly but I

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think good timing to kick off the New

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Year Paul with a conversation as well

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because I don't get enough UK based

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folks on so you and genuinely I I don't

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just say this whenever I've put out over

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the last year and a half two years of

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asking for guest suggestions your name

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comes up so often with people saying

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Paul Sinclair Paulson clear and that's

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from both sides of the pond that's you

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know from the US and the UK

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um so I was honored to be on your own

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podcast back in December 2022 I've put

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the link for that in the description if

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anyone wants to check out but I've

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already talked too much uh in a minute

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and a half Paul so listen for any

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lessons unfamiliar with you and your

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work can you tell us a little bit about

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your background

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my background before writing the truth

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proof books I've been a joiner from 16

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to 48 years old

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packed in work after working with these

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all my life and uh and all of a sudden

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the inclination that I'd write her book

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about unexplained phenomena due to

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things that happened to me in childhood

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so it's always been there you know I

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mean some people might think oh this

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guy's just appeared but I haven't I've

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been sort of researching and looking if

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researchers they weren't and if I've

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been looking into these things

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I would have thought as long as I can

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remember so I wrote the first book truth

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proof book I think 20 2016 and I've done

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five books now and that's that's it for

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books for now because we're working on

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the documentaries and it was just a

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combination of uh multi-phenomena

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research that's another thing that I'm

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always Keen to stress that I'm not a UFO

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researcher and I'm not a Cryptid

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researcher Poltergeist ghost it's

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multi-phenomena

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because my own belief it doesn't mean

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I'm right but my own belief is all of

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this is linked in some inexplicable way

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but it's linked even by location because

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as many times as you'll know with people

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that you've spoken to and work that

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you've done you'll find that there'll be

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a UFO sighting but if you look into the

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area

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you find that there's there's an

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absolute multitude of other strange

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things happen which probably go about

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decades and before you know that's just

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fascinating if you're you've already

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touched on a few things I was going to

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get to in the next couple of questions

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which is which is good you've lined me

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up you mentioned your own experience

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he's going back would you like to touch

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on some of those like do they go back as

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early as childhood oh gosh yeah that I

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mean that's where it came from and I

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never really spoke about them till I

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our Fortune I've been I've been doing a

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lot of research back in

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2002 to 2009 on what we call the world's

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life forms these spheres of light that

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were appearing on the East Yorkshire

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walls and this will relate to what I'm

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gonna put your question in a moment and

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I've been putting it on the internet and

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you if you remember UFO case book and

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Brian vykes UFO Reporting Center back

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then they were they were prominent sites

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well Whitley strieber had seen some of

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the stuff I'd been putting on and he

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contacted me and said would you like to

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speak on Dreamland

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about these UFOs this footage that

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you've been taking and I didn't feel

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ready to do that however when I wrote

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the first book I'm thinking right I need

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to promote this I need to get get it out

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there and I contacted him again

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uh 2015 and I said instantly just yeah

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sure you can speak about it but we ended

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up speaking about my experiences as well

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it was like [\h__\h] coming off a bottle my

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uh my wife knows my children know I'm at

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the four girls obviously they've they've

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two of them have had strange experiences

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um yeah I would have thought from 1967

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I'm 60 years old so I'd have been I born

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in 62 so I'd have been five four five

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years old six years old child don't keep

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a diary and I always remember my dad we

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lived at a place called mexborough uh

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old denaby that overlooked a town of

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mexborough this is in South Yorkshire

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and for any listeners overseas or out of

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the area

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we've got a power station metro Power

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Station my dad were pretty regimen today

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they got a better time he said whatever

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unusually this night he woke me up

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and he wanted to show me this sphere of

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about halfway up the power station

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probably a little bit lower down

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actually the power station cooling

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towers huge sphere of sort of lemony

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white light that looked to be turning

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and it went all the way along the

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rooftops of mexborough and on towards

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the book for me I'm not saying that's

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where it started but then I've got so I

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wrote a book called night people which

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is about my own experiences and I I've

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not got a

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I haven't got an experience that starts

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at the beginning and I've got an ending

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that they're all cameos of memories and

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that's as good as I can get I've not

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tried to fill in the bits in between

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with what I think might have happened

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because I haven't got a clue

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but I can remember after looking at this

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sphere of light and I don't mean the

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next night how would a child remember

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but I can remember sort of waking up

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back bedroom in this house that

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overlooks passages and cows grazing and

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then the town of mexborough about three

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quarters of a mile in the distance but I

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remember my curtains being shut and

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and that is the thing it's night time so

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how are you how can you even see these

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things versus Vivid today as it was then

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and seeing what I perceived were cows

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eyes in the curtains and these curtains

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were a silvery blue color and if anybody

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remembers them I'm showing the age here

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but people used to buy fiberglass

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curtains seriously and that my mom had

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got these all over blooming house and

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I'm looking at these and only thing a

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child can relate to you're looking for

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something that you can identify to

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assign those eyes to and I thought they

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look like cow's eyes

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they came out at curtains and they were

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beings this is crazy uh honestly and and

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on and off throughout childhood to being

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14 15 years old

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I had this interaction with these things

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now and it weren't nice it were never

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good nothing good came out out of it and

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it sometimes and you wonder if

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everything's such a pre-planned in a

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person's life because

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there's loads of events during that

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childhood that happened but then it just

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kind of stopped

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got married uh

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three children moved to where four

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children moved to Bridlington in 1993

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and it started instantly

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I didn't start talking about it this

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weren't something oh I'm gonna start

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talking about this

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in now which have converted to Flats

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huge Victorian house came up started

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working on it with our eldest daughter

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my wife Mary stayed at home and within

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the first day two days it happened and

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me and Sarah were upstairs we're on the

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top floor of this huge Victorian house

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big independent staircase that you can

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look over either side five meter hallway

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three and a half four meters wide

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fabulous and why that'll become apparent

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in a moment why I've said that I'm not

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just boasting about a staircase this

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house this else were a wreck

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we're on a we're on an old mattress at

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the top of the house I'm trying to get

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as a job as a joint and I'm just trying

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to get it habitable

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when I woke up at night and

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a picture of a right angle a corner

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you've got a door there and all the

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doors were painted with what's called

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wood grain

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the staircase was mahogany real mahogany

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but the doors have got this wood grain

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they were dark and I think I can see a

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figure

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stood again the door and in this two

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foot recess before the spindles of the

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staircase which I'm looking out onto

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and it's unusual for me because I didn't

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get up and I'm looking at it and it's

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tall and I think it's got a hat on and

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I'm watching it and watching it and I

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remember turning around and looking at

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Sarah and she was asleep I was awake

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uh you know I don't need I don't say I

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don't need that's wrong I'm not looking

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for somebody to tell me you know I

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dreamed this or you were you doing drugs

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had you done alcohol no I hadn't no I

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love beer I didn't have a beer then

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though I don't think I drank

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but so to get to the point suddenly I

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realized I'm looking at the spindles you

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know this of the staircase and the white

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I'm thinking

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well painted them white

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and this all the stairs was an olive

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it's night time and I'm looking and

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they're getting brighter they're getting

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brighter and brighter I forgot about

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what I thought I were looking at in that

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corner in corner this out curve

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and Sarah's asleep and I'm looking at

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these spindles and they're getting

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whiter and whiter and then up from the

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middle of the stairs

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this sounds bizarre but

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there were beings they were lifting but

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it wasn't a nativity scene but that's

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what it reminded me of it wasn't it

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weren't biblical do you know what I'm

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saying it just they sent to be glowing

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that they sent to be glowing and the

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spindles sort of became like fluorescent

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tubes

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they were that white and then all of a

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sudden Bosch is white out that's end of

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it that's all I remember and I woke up

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in the morning and I couldn't remember

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it

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day stretched my arms out and I've got

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holes in my arms I've got loads of them

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oh they look like somebody had stuck

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match

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es all of I mean the scad now because

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the over the years that it got worse

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and uh as soon as I've stretched my arms

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out and looked it kind of came back to

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me and I and that's all I remember of

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that's about the the longest

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uh running memory that I've got even

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from childhood of that of that happening

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then

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throughout

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1993 to 1998 what intense

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woke up with three holes in my back

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after seeing them and

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we've got the medical records and I've

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I've not put them all in night people

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but I've put what I needed to put in

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where the doctors are saying to skin

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Specialists we would like you to have a

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look a young man that called me then

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obviously we would like you to look at

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the punch hole lesions that keep

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appearing on this young man's body every

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two to three months the doctors at the

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surgery are perplexed and quite baffled

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in terms of the words and they're in the

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book you know and that's what they're

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saying and uh they talk about them

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healing with giant foreign body scale

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cells as though there's been a surgical

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procedure done uh is there a history of

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trauma uh all sorts of things I knew

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what were happening I've sat there

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and this is before obviously I became

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vocal about it I didn't even speak about

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it as I've said until 2014 2015 with to

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Whitley

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publicly and uh I knew and you think how

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do you talk about this how how is this

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it's a no-win situation I've written

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night people now I've got it out of that

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way I'm I'm pleased I've written it and

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and I'm gonna speak about

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what we've called the night people at

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the Awakening but later this year and so

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that first time I've ever spoke about

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them apart from on that Whitley strieber

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show and I'm talking to you a little bit

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now and so it's been ongoing basically a

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long-winded answer to a short question

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know about some fascinating stuff in

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there and I appreciate anyone sharing

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any type of experience especially like

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intimate ones where you know you're

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waking up with mocks and you know

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that's unexplained and it's so many

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experiences talk about those not just

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the incidents but also them being

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uncomfortable being difficult to live

342
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with but then it's the going forward how

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do you how did you find living with

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those experiences not only reoccurring

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but you're then seeking medical advice

346
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which some experiences don't because

347
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they don't know where to turn and then

348
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obviously there's the potential ridicule

349
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Factor off the back of that as well well

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you're right and but I need to stress

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Andy from 96 to 98 they weren't just

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marks that healed they've left scars big

353
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white scars and the ones in my back I

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had to seek medical attention are really

355
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worried because

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I I well I saw them I saw swirling

357
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lights in the bedroom on the bedroom

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wall and there's nothing at the back of

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this property uh that well there's

360
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terrorist houses well the curtains are

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shut but there's nothing there it's

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quite a long Garden I can see these

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lights and then I could see them in the

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lights then all of a sudden it felt like

365
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a corkscrew were turning in my back

366
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literally that's what it felt like and

367
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they're telling me

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it's a bed spring

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I don't know what they're doing I don't

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know how it happened because I think I'm

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on my back

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so I'll come to do anything to my back I

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find that perplexing I think I'm in bed

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Mary's in bed at side I mean she's no

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idea although she's woke up and seen

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misting room and small beings once that

377
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she told me about but the next morning I

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sit up on side at bed no clothes on I'm

379
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married says to me I don't believe it

380
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says what she's got three holes in your

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back

382
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we're not talking Mark Sandy these were

383
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holes but you know and uh so that's the

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reason I was seeking Medical

385
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help uh perhaps 19 I think 1996 to 98

386
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but I didn't tell him

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because I just don't but when you apply

388
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for it was Whitley again that said apply

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for your medical records see what see

390
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what they say you might find it

391
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interesting and this they've done

392
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drawings the doctor I've took a picture

393
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or my wife took a picture of the holes

394
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on my back which we put in night people

395
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and and the doctor we didn't know has

396
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done drawings and this kind of match up

397
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and do you know what I mean so you've

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got three punch hole lesions that travel

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deep into the dermis that's what they

400
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say about that you know and uh the

401
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thinking a medical procedure has been

402
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been done well I don't know what we're

403
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done all I know is that these things

404
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were telling me what a bed Spring

405
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Turning in my back

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is that what about the end of it 1998 it

407
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stopped and can I just ask Paul I hate

408
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interrupting but I just want to get

409
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another screen there because that

410
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conversation you've had with a doctor

411
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you've taken those steps further to say

412
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look this is happening to me I'm not

413
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just keeping it secret I'm not keeping

414
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it to myself and my family the doctors

415
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looked at it they're perplexed they're

416
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saying that your skin you know they dare

417
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Miss it's got It's layers and it's gone

418
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these holes are going down is that as

419
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far as it went was there was there any

420
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chance of following things up was there

421
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anyone who got in touch with you to look

422
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it into this further well what they did

423
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and they they left an open appointment

424
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they tested me for everything they could

425
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only find they were allergic to Grass

426
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pollen

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seriously they did they just I haven't

428
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got a clue on the the last letter and

429
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I'm sure we put it in there says I'm

430
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afraid we're going to have to their

431
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words draw blank with Mr Sinclair's

432
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lesions

433
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and and that were the last and we've

434
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left an open appointment should he need

435
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to come in and see us again and I

436
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haven't done I haven't needed to uh it's

437
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you know for me apart from seeing odd

438
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strange things and odd things happening

439
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in the house

440
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which I think everybody probably

441
00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:04,680
experiences and most of the time it goes

442
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over people's heads because they're not

443
00:16:11,329 --> 00:16:08,459
actually looking for something uh it

444
00:16:12,889 --> 00:16:11,339
stopped in 1998 and I'm really pleased

445
00:16:15,470 --> 00:16:12,899
it did

446
00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:15,480
so what was the moment for you that you

447
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:18,180
decided to to put this down on paper and

448
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obviously this would be the truth proof

449
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series you know book one what was that

450
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spark was it a day a moment or was it a

451
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accumulation well that was I didn't put

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night people down on paper until

453
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probably 2020. uh actually writing the

454
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first book no no I've finished work and

455
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uh I'm always Keen to stress I don't

456
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have loads of money but I've worked hard

457
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and we sort of got ourselves into a

458
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position uh where I could finish work

459
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and I wanted to just do this full time I

460
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wanted to research full time and I'd

461
00:16:56,569 --> 00:16:54,180
over the years I'd collected loads and

462
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loads of accounts because the true proof

463
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one two three and four

464
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uh there might be odd thing that's that

465
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I've witnessed with Witnesses but the

466
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books primarily I would say 99.9 are

467
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about first-hand witness accounts and I

468
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just wanted to get them down on paper

469
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and do the witness Justice because

470
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I get loads and loads of people sending

471
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me information and some of it not out of

472
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rudeness I disregard because it's a

473
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friend of a friend told me oh it's a

474
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little bit vague and you just get a feel

475
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for it not being right but I like to

476
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meet the person face to face go to the

477
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location whenever possible and and just

478
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just spend some time just

479
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we sort of winkling the story out to

480
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people you know what I mean it's it's

481
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full time it's it's more than

482
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it's more than a normal eight to five

483
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job kind of thing

484
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so the title of the book I said here

485
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before we recorded is our glass Region's

486
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nightmare to pronounce so the the full

487
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title is truth proof the truth that

488
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leaves no proof now that sounds like

489
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something someone would ask me to repeat

490
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in the description it's it is Andy

491
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though it is a truth that leaves no

492
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proof because whether you're a skeptic

493
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uh or whatever whatever you want to term

494
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yourself as I think I think that the

495
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proof of what people are seeing and

496
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Reporting is overwhelming even if most

497
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of it is anecdotal it's overwhelming and

498
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there's that there's so many repetitive

499
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patterns that come through Within

500
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the the accounts and it's diverse a

501
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diverse population diverse religious

502
00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:44,400
beliefs but fundamentally they're all re

503
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most of them are all reporting something

504
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very similar there's a similar thread

505
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running through them even stepping away

506
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from the the UFOs and to the Cryptids to

507
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other parts of this unexplained

508
00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:58,020
phenomenon we've got this strange what I

509
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call the lower silence this descent into

510
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this kind of disjointed reality when not

511
00:19:09,049 --> 00:19:06,900
every time but when quite a lot of the

512
00:19:10,970 --> 00:19:09,059
time we're in a true event of

513
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unexplained phenomena

514
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everything around you the changes you

515
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know it it just becomes surreal and I

516
00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:18,840
often wonder I don't know whether I

517
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don't know whether that's the phenomena

518
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:23,760
we're in the phenomena's environment

519
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yeah or whether the the actual phenomena

520
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is is

521
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placing that feeling on us I I don't

522
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know I've just sort of throwing Ox out

523
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and seeing what people think are for the

524
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time you know when I've when I've heard

525
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,460
about those sorts of moments or you know

526
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things going quiet you know things just

527
00:19:48,169 --> 00:19:45,660
seeming off sounding odd it sounds like

528
00:19:50,270 --> 00:19:48,179
those places on Earth like horrible

529
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:50,280
places like Auschwitz or something evil

530
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,080
has happened and people report there's

531
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no bikes for Miles you know no animals

532
00:19:57,470 --> 00:19:55,860
round about there's an odd feeling an

533
00:19:59,390 --> 00:19:57,480
odd setting yeah as if there's a

534
00:20:00,590 --> 00:19:59,400
presence there and that that's what it

535
00:20:03,230 --> 00:20:00,600
sort of sounds like when people have

536
00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:03,240
these these experiences as a you know

537
00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:05,580
time slowing down around them like you

538
00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:07,620
say is an effect that's being put upon

539
00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:08,700
the incident

540
00:20:12,289 --> 00:20:10,500
no one actually knows but there's

541
00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:12,299
there's an odd sensation an odd feeling

542
00:20:15,409 --> 00:20:13,500
to that is that something you've

543
00:20:17,870 --> 00:20:15,419
experienced yourself or something you've

544
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,880
read more about or researched more than

545
00:20:20,750 --> 00:20:19,679
from others in the experiences in

546
00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:20,760
childhood that's something I've

547
00:20:25,970 --> 00:20:23,580
experienced myself and I'd I had I've

548
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:25,980
said because you're not processing these

549
00:20:30,049 --> 00:20:28,080
things as a child you don't even know

550
00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:30,059
that it's not normal you just know that

551
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:32,600
you're not really gonna my dad were

552
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,720
ex-military uh real regimented kind of

553
00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:38,400
guy kind of guy would hit first and ask

554
00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:40,620
questions later which is totally

555
00:20:44,029 --> 00:20:42,660
opposite I'm not like that at all do you

556
00:20:46,610 --> 00:20:44,039
know what I mean I don't know whether

557
00:20:48,169 --> 00:20:46,620
that's made me that way but you know we

558
00:20:51,409 --> 00:20:48,179
kind of Don't Take No Nonsense but we're

559
00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,419
not like you were but

560
00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:53,580
where am I going with this

561
00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:56,280
when you when you'd when you're

562
00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:59,100
experiencing oh I I mentioned him

563
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:00,600
because I never spoke about it I

564
00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:02,820
wouldn't have I never even thought to

565
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,380
bring what was happening in the night

566
00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:06,480
and we're on in a three-bedroom Council

567
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:07,320
house

568
00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:11,039
it's only in it while we're three

569
00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:13,260
between wall between us do you know do

570
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:14,100
you know what I'm saying and

571
00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:15,360
plasterboard

572
00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:17,220
and

573
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:19,620
I want to DARE mention it I I just don't

574
00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:22,559
think I would have dared but every night

575
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:24,059
when you've had something traumatic

576
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,260
happen to you like that and it don't

577
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,360
have to be UFO alien related something

578
00:21:30,830 --> 00:21:29,520
traumatic um and we don't even have to

579
00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:30,840
say the words but there are things that

580
00:21:34,970 --> 00:21:33,000
happen you you you're you're listening

581
00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:34,980
for it you're watching for it all the

582
00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:37,380
time you can't but when it comes with

583
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:40,020
this UFO phenomena this alien type

584
00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:41,280
phenomena

585
00:21:46,450 --> 00:21:44,700
it's it's happening and it's over before

586
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:46,460
you've actually realized it's happened

587
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,159
because you never ever ready for it

588
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,559
never I thought every night as a child

589
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:54,720
because it didn't happen

590
00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:56,460
I wrote truth proof I've just got I

591
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,020
don't know

592
00:22:02,450 --> 00:22:00,480
20 events through childhood so it's not

593
00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:02,460
every night here and they're they're all

594
00:22:08,029 --> 00:22:05,400
I can remember but but one of them is

595
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:08,039
enough to make you be on be rocking all

596
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,740
the time and on edge all the time but

597
00:22:15,649 --> 00:22:13,200
for some reason you're in the moment and

598
00:22:19,070 --> 00:22:15,659
it's it's it's it's it's taken over

599
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,080
before you even realize and you know the

600
00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:20,880
event is over before you've realized

601
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:21,960
that you've actually been become

602
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,120
absorbed into it it's it's such a

603
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,679
strange thing

604
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,320
I ain't got answers for it no and and

605
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,000
many folks don't we've got a lot of

606
00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:31,919
questions about a lack of answers you've

607
00:22:36,049 --> 00:22:33,480
mentioned through the the book series

608
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,059
tell night people that largely other

609
00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:38,400
people's accounts the testimony you know

610
00:22:43,250 --> 00:22:40,200
the stories that people have experienced

611
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,260
or seen what did you start to learn as

612
00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:45,360
you put these books together and you've

613
00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:47,100
researched and spoken to hundreds of

614
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,840
different people was there any Common

615
00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:50,159
Thread that would go through those

616
00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:52,260
experiences like you say not just UFOs

617
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,299
but Cryptids and other such things as

618
00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:57,120
well a Common Thread

619
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,980
I think for a lot of places around the

620
00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:00,960
United Kingdom is location

621
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:03,900
uh if if that's kind of thing you'll you

622
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:06,799
you're asking I mean there seems to be

623
00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:09,900
concentrated areas where more

624
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:12,659
unexplained phenomena take place I mean

625
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,220
I've had people ask me you know what

626
00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:16,320
you're a really involved in subject Paul

627
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:17,880
and how come you're seeing stuff around

628
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:19,799
Eastern North Yorkshire I don't think

629
00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:21,480
it's because I'm heavily involved in it

630
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:24,419
I think that the the the location itself

631
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:26,280
you've only got the look let's go about

632
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:29,100
decade after decade go back to Folklore

633
00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:31,799
and go back and and

634
00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:34,440
it's all there we know that stories may

635
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,659
get embellished throughout time and well

636
00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:38,460
they will do and folklore but there's a

637
00:23:42,049 --> 00:23:40,380
grain of Truth in these things and what

638
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:42,059
we've been doing with our documentary

639
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:45,179
wolfland and this self-illuminating eyes

640
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,400
if you go back in folklore

641
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:49,740
we've got Phantom hounds with glowing

642
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,140
eyes appearing on the cliff tops and a

643
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:54,720
player in the forests of east of North

644
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:57,240
Yorkshire yep present day we're getting

645
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:59,280
these things reported now

646
00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:00,840
do you know and the people it's not

647
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:02,100
people are trying to make a name for

648
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,960
themselves I've had to really

649
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:06,120
pardoned upon about to Hound a lot of

650
00:24:11,049 --> 00:24:08,100
these people to get

651
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:11,059
to get this information and and

652
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,620
you know get them to come on camera and

653
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:16,799
I I applaud them you know to actually

654
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:18,900
put these traumatic events what they've

655
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:20,340
experienced

656
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:22,140
and sit in front of a camera and talk to

657
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,840
us but I think I think it's I think it's

658
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:27,360
a common a lot of the common threads are

659
00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:30,539
there you know you know even by date you

660
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:32,820
know for some reason 15th of June and

661
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:36,960
the month of June seems to throw up

662
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:39,299
particularly in flamber and Benton

663
00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:43,140
traumatic and strange events and could

664
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:45,720
be coincidence Andy you know 15th of

665
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:51,120
June uh 1998 tornado tornado ze723

666
00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:53,220
vanishes from radar 15 miles off

667
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,020
flambrehead which just happens to be an

668
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,360
area where the magnetic anomaly is uh

669
00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:59,039
where the fishermen experienced lots of

670
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,260
strange things not exactly you know but

671
00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:03,840
in that area we can't say that's exactly

672
00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:05,220
where it is

673
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,039
uh at the time I went researching it at

674
00:25:12,370 --> 00:25:10,080
the time but the UFO investigators of

675
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:12,380
the day thought this were UFO related

676
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:16,799
15th of June 2020 the American uh uh

677
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:19,260
seagull F-15 seagull vanishes similar

678
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,340
area of flambre head 15th of June uh

679
00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:26,159
2011.

680
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:28,679
few miles away

681
00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:31,140
the wallabies at sober the wallabies we

682
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:32,700
go into something totally different but

683
00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:36,559
sorby Hall Zoo were decapitated

684
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:39,419
within their enclosures I mean it's a

685
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,159
strange one and it's a I could actually

686
00:25:45,529 --> 00:25:43,919
talk for an hour and I did on I actually

687
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:45,539
did on midnight in the desert just about

688
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:47,400
the wallabies because it was such a

689
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:48,600
strange thing there were a lot of animal

690
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,659
mutilations uh in the month of June and

691
00:25:57,529 --> 00:25:54,120
just after June in and around this area

692
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,539
start it started with one wallaby and

693
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:59,760
then if you look further I probably

694
00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:01,500
never thought we were going to jump to

695
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:03,059
wallabies Andy there you go I got a

696
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:04,740
little joke in there guys but we never

697
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,020
thought that but but what I'm saying is

698
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:08,640
if you look then

699
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:12,240
you find that wallabies and please

700
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,460
forgive me if I've got 2011 wrong and it

701
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,559
were nine but I think it were 11 but all

702
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:18,240
over the United Kingdom

703
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:20,820
wallabies were being decapitated

704
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,480
in small animal parks how does that work

705
00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:27,179
how does that add up so then if you go

706
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:29,100
further afield you go to the cough's

707
00:26:32,210 --> 00:26:30,600
coast and you go to the Emerald Coast in

708
00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:32,220
Australia

709
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,980
they'll say months wallabies were being

710
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:36,240
decapitated

711
00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:39,900
and you know as I spoke to a professor

712
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:42,179
uh Allenby

713
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,100
I think it was at Warwick University he

714
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,279
will he were interested in uh the

715
00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:50,400
potential for alien big cats to be at

716
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:52,440
large in the United Kingdom and I sent

717
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:54,179
him this information about the wallabies

718
00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:55,980
which he found fascinating and the guy

719
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:57,419
were really

720
00:27:01,490 --> 00:26:59,640
quite positive but he believed it was a

721
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,500
human thing he thought that people were

722
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:04,320
doing it and it's sort of some kind of

723
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:14,149
yeah but I think that's like I don't

724
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,740
think it's possible uh I've Just Seen

725
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:19,200
speed these things move so we've got

726
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:21,179
first I will be brought to my attention

727
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:23,100
with the wallabies at Subway Hall Zoo

728
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,620
when I started looking further afield in

729
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:28,080
the Cotswolds handwell bunny Park all

730
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:29,820
over the United Kingdom

731
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,740
similar time span they're getting

732
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:34,080
decapitated it's crazy

733
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,299
Australia they're getting decapitated I

734
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:38,159
know we've jumped about here people and

735
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:40,020
I didn't you know you know you didn't

736
00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:41,940
start with that question but it it led

737
00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:43,559
to it Andy I do apologize for talking

738
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:44,820
about someone you probably didn't want

739
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,900
to talk about

740
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,720
no no but it's linked and that's really

741
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,159
interesting and it's something that you

742
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,600
don't necessarily Hate About You Know

743
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:53,340
wallabies we're so used to cattle

744
00:27:56,890 --> 00:27:55,500
mutilations you know yeah other animals

745
00:28:00,730 --> 00:27:56,900
other species

746
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:00,740
have had these kind of incidents 2017.

747
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,880
uh our contacted by a farmer uh I went

748
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:07,440
to speak to him I asked

749
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,440
um he agreed to let me look into the

750
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,440
sheep mutilations that he'd been having

751
00:28:18,289 --> 00:28:16,080
on a farm not far from where I am now

752
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:18,299
and how did I get out to know about this

753
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,460
I went to they were a vagrant living in

754
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,559
Dane's neck he's been there he left this

755
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,720
year actually the re-homed him we've

756
00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:26,640
been there 13 years we took him some 40

757
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:28,100
on New Year's Day

758
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:31,260
2017. and he told me the police had just

759
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:32,520
been to see him and they'd asked him if

760
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:34,500
he'd seen anything unusual because an

761
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,840
unusual dog has has been seen killing

762
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:38,940
sheep and that's all he told me so I've

763
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:40,380
been a did a bit of digging I'd located

764
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:42,900
the farm I went and spoke to him

765
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:44,760
so we can keep unexplained phenomena out

766
00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:46,140
of this I'd love to look into it for you

767
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:49,380
so I spent two years on on these fields

768
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:52,500
in Woodlands in between 4 30 and 5 30 in

769
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,419
the morning three or four days a week me

770
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:55,919
and that little dog in braver the mate

771
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:58,919
dog I think candy you know and uh

772
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:01,919
it lost I think he lost 28 sheep when he

773
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:04,260
contacted me and when it finished in

774
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:08,580
2019 it lost over 50 sheep and I'd were

775
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:10,440
finding them and I were finding roe deer

776
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,260
I will find him Badger and fox

777
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:15,840
faces stripped of skin in most cases

778
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:17,580
eyes removed and while we're going at

779
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,860
that time in the morning because of the

780
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,539
people that say well crows will have

781
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,000
took eyes uh only other animals that are

782
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:26,159
predated on them that's why the so I

783
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,020
will get in there in some cases these

784
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:30,480
animals are still warm and I really were

785
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,940
there at that time in the morning

786
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:34,980
hundreds and hundreds of photographs of

787
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:37,320
shape with ears removed eyes remove

788
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:39,659
front left leg for some reason God Knows

789
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,840
Why and uh

790
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:44,820
when I first started talking to him

791
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:47,580
because I have the I read book here this

792
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:49,080
is the book I had at the time I don't

793
00:29:54,409 --> 00:29:51,179
use it now but I had this book and I

794
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,419
write all sorts down and I wrote down a

795
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,000
guy called Peter who

796
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,080
were walking on Cliff Lane and he

797
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,480
founded a road here with a three-inch

798
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:02,940
hole through each side we likened it too

799
00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:05,520
you know the hole on a boiler a gas flue

800
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:07,260
pipe it looked like it had just gone

801
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:08,760
straight through it a lovely clean hole

802
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:12,539
if that can don't sound tools sick and

803
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:15,899
um 28th of June 2017. so I'm talking to

804
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:18,419
this farmer and I mean he's come in sat

805
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,980
in his living room

806
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:22,080
and he's got his diary out and he says

807
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,360
to me he said I've I first realized

808
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:26,399
something strange was happening he said

809
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:28,380
because there were 400 sheep on this

810
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:30,419
field he says I've two dogs he says and

811
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,860
the hate the eight going through all

812
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,320
these troughs to treat the feet it must

813
00:30:37,549 --> 00:30:35,760
be someone that's really painful he said

814
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,559
and they know like stings the feet this

815
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:40,080
liquid it's just so we funnel them in he

816
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:41,880
says are my two dogs struggle he says I

817
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:43,980
get some of the pens one morning he's

818
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:45,779
telling me this story

819
00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:47,880
he said and uh I can't believe what I'm

820
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,220
looking at he says these corrugated run

821
00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:52,799
which probably should take six to seven

822
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:55,020
sheep in length

823
00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:56,700
and then they go through into other side

824
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:00,059
he said it's got 30 sheep in it not 25

825
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:03,000
not 29 30 sheep in it it says they're

826
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,500
all piled on top of one another they're

827
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:06,000
on over its sides

828
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,740
he says that's happened at night he says

829
00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:10,559
I can't understand it it's a soyung peg

830
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:12,360
these things he says we're straight and

831
00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:14,580
sheep out he says there's three dead not

832
00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:16,500
through mutilation just through heat

833
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:18,899
exhaustion and fear he said and I said

834
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:21,000
what date were that

835
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,220
and he went let's have a look he went

836
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:25,740
28th of June I says wait there and I

837
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,240
opened this book up I says because I

838
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:28,799
don't want you to see that I'm writing

839
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,320
it afterwards and I've got it down there

840
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:34,080
28th of June deal dear with three inch

841
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,120
hole all in its side Cliff Lane

842
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,919
literally

843
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:39,720
I'm not going to say aware because it'll

844
00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:43,140
locate the farm but very close very

845
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:45,960
close and uh

846
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:47,880
there's something strange going on

847
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,480
something really strange was happening

848
00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:53,220
2019 if we've got time I'll just stay

849
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:56,760
with us for a moment yeah I I I did my

850
00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:58,980
usual I got to Fields early I used to

851
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,320
pull up with our headlights on so I

852
00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:03,120
didn't wake him up farmer and his family

853
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:05,399
but I were welcome there but you know I

854
00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:07,080
didn't I didn't want to walk the field

855
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:09,179
it's just getting light

856
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:10,919
and

857
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:14,279
fence between them a big gate between

858
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:16,860
them and field cheaper in bottom field

859
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,980
well I opened big go through it and I

860
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:21,659
look up field and it's just it's just

861
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:23,520
got a sheep new mate I've been going up

862
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:25,080
for years and they didn't run away they

863
00:32:28,669 --> 00:32:27,000
weren't bothered about my little dog but

864
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:28,679
there's not there's nothing untoward I

865
00:32:31,789 --> 00:32:30,840
do it like a grid of the field drop into

866
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:31,799
this wood

867
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:33,779
come out of the wood don't bother

868
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:35,520
looking up field

869
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,380
come out shut the gate there's a

870
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,120
shotgate a lot

871
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:41,580
there's a lamb about size of a Labrador

872
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:45,179
no it's not a fully grown you or Ram

873
00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:47,159
LED there I know it's dead I thought it

874
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:49,260
weren't there when I arrived like two

875
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:50,520
hours before an hour and a half two

876
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:51,659
hours before

877
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,299
I'm doing instantly what it was so I

878
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,399
walked up to it now and what I should

879
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:58,080
have said earlier was the farmer said to

880
00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,120
me uh are you gonna go up on what day

881
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,220
you're going up on field I said I should

882
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,559
probably go up Tuesday or whatever I've

883
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:06,720
wrote about it until till three he says

884
00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:08,279
when I woke up on Sunday he says I've

885
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:10,919
lost one of my one of my Lambs

886
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:13,019
it says and we'll call it number 53.

887
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:15,260
they're all sprayed we're number yeah

888
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,120
and uh that might a bit number it worked

889
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:20,220
someone tells me it was 37 but anyway he

890
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,200
says I've lost it he says I've been all

891
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:24,720
around field in my far before my dogs

892
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:26,700
I've walked feel he says it's gone I

893
00:33:30,169 --> 00:33:28,019
said I said oh I'm sorry to hear that

894
00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:30,179
mate and that was that so that was

895
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,120
Sunday and there I think on Tuesday

896
00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:34,080
Burning Man it weren't there when I

897
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:35,820
walked on field earlier and I walk off

898
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:38,460
so I woke up I knew it was going to be

899
00:33:42,409 --> 00:33:39,480
that one

900
00:33:45,409 --> 00:33:42,419
looked at it it's not bloated it's not

901
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:45,419
been opened up by any predators

902
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:47,820
eyes are missing ears are missing front

903
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,559
left legs missing

904
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:51,659
touched it it's clap cold but it's not

905
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:53,940
swollen with gases inside it like it's

906
00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:56,640
been dead a long time so I rang him up

907
00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:59,399
said what not number of that lamb that

908
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:01,559
you lost and he went to

909
00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:04,740
I said number 53 and I said it's here

910
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:06,419
that's a bit weren't here this morning

911
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,500
when I arrived that and that what is

912
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:12,240
that have we got some human intervention

913
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,760
because we're in middle of nowhere Andy

914
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:16,560
we're literally in the middle of nowhere

915
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:18,780
I'm on a private road I've drove a mile

916
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,300
to get to this Farm up a private road

917
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:23,280
there's Woods at the back there's

918
00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:25,260
there's nothing

919
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:28,679
and that that really it's unnerving when

920
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:29,879
you when something like that happens

921
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,980
it's like well that place there to make

922
00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:33,659
me realize I don't know is someone

923
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,060
playing with us

924
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,679
I don't know a lot of that that's this

925
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:39,540
no it's fascinating a lot of that starts

926
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:40,859
to sound like incidents we've had

927
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,780
happened in places like Skinwalker Ranch

928
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:44,639
you know when you mention those sheep

929
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:46,919
being stored almost in a very tight

930
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,500
contained area in a very unnatural way

931
00:34:54,129 --> 00:34:51,839
that something had to have picked them

932
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:54,139
up and placed them on top of each other

933
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,460
yeah you hear about those cows that were

934
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:59,040
basically put inside a cabin a port a

935
00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:00,599
cabin and skin marker Ranch and then

936
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,800
they burst out of it and they were

937
00:35:06,410 --> 00:35:03,599
catatonic apparently we never found

938
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:06,420
that's like you say why would someone or

939
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:08,580
how could someone even do that it's a

940
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,140
very difficult thing to do isn't it

941
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:12,240
believe it Andy he just said he said

942
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:13,500
that's when I realized something strange

943
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:16,740
were going on although then is and

944
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:18,599
rightly so we should all rationalize and

945
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,820
look for the look for what an Earthly

946
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:22,740
explanation should we say because when I

947
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,180
told him he went well maybe a fox has

948
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:26,040
brought it back and I just thought it

949
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:27,480
were a ridiculous thing to say because

950
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:29,220
it hadn't been predated on apart from

951
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:32,700
from left leg which were gone do you

952
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:34,980
know and yeah there's there are a lot of

953
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:38,040
similarities to the things I mean I've

954
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,619
spoke to George Knapp about this a few

955
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:41,760
times and there are a lot of

956
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,800
similarities to the things that have

957
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:45,599
been reported there that have been

958
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,180
reported particularly at Benton and

959
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:50,640
speedon and but I don't think these

960
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:54,240
places are unique I think that probably

961
00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:57,300
they probably need somebody looking at

962
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:59,640
areas of areas where things of an

963
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:01,619
unexplained nature are happening with a

964
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:02,940
lot of intensity and I think you're

965
00:36:08,089 --> 00:36:05,700
probably unearth a lot more stuff

966
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:08,099
so the series itself and I've touched on

967
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:10,020
this doesn't just look at UFOs we talk

968
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,760
about all sorts of high strangeness

969
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:14,640
going throughout the series orbs we

970
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:17,640
mentioned missing people night people

971
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:19,500
have you always thought this phenomena

972
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,000
were linked I like your actual phrase

973
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:23,700
multi multi multi phenomena research

974
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:28,200
yeah and it's it's good I I wanted to

975
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,940
coin myself that at the Awakening that I

976
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:31,560
spoke last year and that it kind of

977
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:32,700
stuck with it because I think that's

978
00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:35,160
what we we all ought to be ultimately

979
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,619
ought to be striving towards instead of

980
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,079
pigeon all in ourselves and I'm a UFO

981
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:42,420
researcher I am a Cryptid researcher

982
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:43,980
because there's so much we could learn

983
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:46,859
from each other uh and I've lost the

984
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:49,320
question give me what

985
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,540
no just about that that's being linked

986
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:53,040
in it being your own multi-phenomena

987
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:55,619
research yeah it is it is ultimately

988
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:58,740
linked we might not know why uh I do

989
00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:01,680
understand that you know in on February

990
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,640
the 7th 2019 two military guys claimed

991
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:07,200
to have seen something that we can only

992
00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:09,240
describe as a werewolf

993
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,359
on the cliff tops at Benton uh they were

994
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:14,640
wild camping they came across this thing

995
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:17,940
so they tell me on on February the 7th

996
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,040
we think it rolled into February the 8th

997
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:22,320
he arrived at 20 then they were in early

998
00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:26,280
hours at morning and uh excuse me what I

999
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:27,900
find fascinating

1000
00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:33,060
is that on February the 8th 2020

1001
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:35,579
myself Bob Brown

1002
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:38,579
and one of my daughters Gemma went to

1003
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,440
the cliff tops we didn't we didn't think

1004
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,720
oh we'll we'll go on the anniversary of

1005
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:44,520
this happening we're all us up there

1006
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:46,619
Gemma not particular she will stay in

1007
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:49,320
wheels for a few weeks uh I was a Gemini

1008
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:51,540
she's 38 but it's in between moving and

1009
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:53,339
she'll stay in wheels and it was a

1010
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:54,780
toss-up between sitting at home and

1011
00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:56,760
watching TV soaps or coming and having a

1012
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:58,619
look at Cliff tops with me so she

1013
00:38:02,569 --> 00:38:00,420
thought she would and that's what she

1014
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:02,579
did she's not really into the subject as

1015
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:05,220
such so anyway February the 8th this is

1016
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:07,079
a year later or a year and a day

1017
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:08,760
depending on what what these military

1018
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:10,380
guys are when they saw it whether it

1019
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,359
will be 4 12 or after

1020
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:14,880
what am I going with so I'm setting a

1021
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:16,859
camera up on Cliff tops at a place

1022
00:38:20,530 --> 00:38:18,839
called I think a braille nuke it's like

1023
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:20,540
a lookout

1024
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:23,280
in front of these uh two to three

1025
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,720
hundred foot Cliffs that which year

1026
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,160
dropped at North Sea and at the back of

1027
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:28,140
us we've got this hill and when I talked

1028
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,660
about areas concentrated areas within

1029
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:32,940
the areas of eye strangeness this place

1030
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:35,880
is what I would call a concentrated area

1031
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:38,760
and gemma's got a big torch she's picked

1032
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:40,500
up and she's shining it and she says

1033
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:42,900
what's that white square there Bob I can

1034
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:44,220
hear them they're just it's just chatter

1035
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:47,099
to me I'm setting a camera up but once I

1036
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,859
think it's bored on a fence post

1037
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:51,599
well Bob's been up here that many times

1038
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,160
he instantly remember realized not

1039
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,720
remembered that there's no boards on

1040
00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:56,880
fence posts there's no fence so he put

1041
00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:58,619
his torch on it and this white square

1042
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:01,380
literally dropped to the floor and

1043
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:03,060
disappeared

1044
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:06,119
don't sound like anything that conforms

1045
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,619
with unexplained phenomena a white

1046
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:09,839
square we immediately went to area there

1047
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:11,400
was nothing there

1048
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:14,579
now it doesn't finish there

1049
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:16,980
we went home that night

1050
00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:20,160
and there's a there's a because I've

1051
00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:22,020
converted these Flats I've we've got

1052
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:23,640
like a little TV room and then you've

1053
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,380
got a big living room and a hallway down

1054
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:27,839
to a big extension me and Mary go to bed

1055
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:30,900
Gemma stays up watching TV behind the

1056
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:33,000
sofa where she's sat and it's in like a

1057
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,380
little alcove

1058
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:36,119
is a brick wall

1059
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:38,700
and behind that is a an all way to our

1060
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,220
property so there's nobody in the

1061
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:42,720
property and there's another brick wall

1062
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:45,240
then behind that and above is a flat

1063
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:48,119
which is unoccupied the the Bob was in

1064
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,380
the top flat but the middle one was

1065
00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:51,839
unoccupied I just need to stress this in

1066
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:53,700
case anybody thinks it's loud music so

1067
00:39:59,089 --> 00:39:56,880
Gemma said I'm watching TV

1068
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:59,099
just got a little side light on

1069
00:40:02,349 --> 00:40:00,540
and I hear a noise and I think it's

1070
00:40:04,089 --> 00:40:02,359
Thunder

1071
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:04,099
and

1072
00:40:12,589 --> 00:40:10,020
realized there's a growling behind me

1073
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:12,599
and she said that is it was so loud it

1074
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:15,000
would kind of vibrate in my insides so

1075
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:19,440
he absolutely frightened me to death now

1076
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,820
anybody could say well that's his

1077
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:22,079
daughter she's just telling him a story

1078
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:23,760
or he's just saying this I've wrote

1079
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:26,040
night people we've got four girls the

1080
00:40:30,530 --> 00:40:28,020
only person with nothing to say

1081
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,540
about any weird experiences throughout

1082
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:32,579
childhood and throughout adulthood

1083
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:34,320
and believe me I'd have put it in night

1084
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:36,839
people it's Gemma that's the first thing

1085
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,780
she's ever come out with now we you

1086
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:42,240
touched on Skinwalker and you we talk

1087
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:44,820
about the the the phrase that they came

1088
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:47,460
to you they're calling it The Hitchhiker

1089
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,700
uh yeah uh I don't know effect yeah

1090
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,040
effect yeah where where people have been

1091
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:54,480
to the location and they're taking

1092
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:56,520
something of the phenomena back with

1093
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:58,380
them and I'm wondering if that happened

1094
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:01,320
there do you know there's a guy who

1095
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:03,960
comes in our live stream called Rob and

1096
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:06,300
he went up to the old RAF base and he

1097
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:09,180
swears that happened to him there uh you

1098
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:11,460
know and I want to speak to Rob Moore

1099
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:15,119
like he's he's his code name is his name

1100
00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:17,700
in the little chat in the live stream is

1101
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:19,800
blue shift so if anybody wanted to ask

1102
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,560
him just ask it's not a secret he's

1103
00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:24,900
convinced that something came back with

1104
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,940
him when he went to Benton and went up

1105
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:28,560
around the old RAF base which I don't

1106
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,300
recommend anybody going on the RAF Base

1107
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:32,640
by the way people it's out of bounds but

1108
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:34,920
uh you believe something came back with

1109
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:37,260
him so I don't know where we're going

1110
00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:40,020
with that one now Andy no no you

1111
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:41,339
mentioned hatchaker effect and you

1112
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,380
mentioned George Knapp Jordan app has

1113
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:45,000
said he's had the same thing happening

1114
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:48,119
to detail with it but he told me on on

1115
00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:49,800
the podcast I've done with him last year

1116
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:51,240
or the year before he's been on a few

1117
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,880
times that his wife had effects from

1118
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:55,920
something coming back with him Thomas

1119
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,960
Winterton the ranch superintendent has

1120
00:42:02,569 --> 00:42:00,240
said the same thing his family have had

1121
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:02,579
incidents happen back at their home and

1122
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:04,500
him have heard from Brandon Frugal and

1123
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:07,020
others that it's happened to countless

1124
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,240
officials and other people who have who

1125
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:11,040
have dealt with the property as well and

1126
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,839
this this must happen all around the

1127
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,240
planet what I would like to know and

1128
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:16,560
what I'm going to do I'm going to wrap

1129
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:18,420
up here for part one and part two will

1130
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:20,099
be released in a few days time folks so

1131
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:21,420
if you hear the Bell coming in a second

1132
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,940
or that UFO sound bite thanks very much

1133
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:25,500
for listening to part one make sure you

1134
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,720
tune in again for part two the question

1135
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:29,099
that's going to lead into part two

1136
00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:30,180
though is

1137
00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:33,240
and this time have you had during your

1138
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:35,660
research anyone in an official capacity

1139
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,760
whether that was police military or

1140
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:41,280
government get in touch with you about

1141
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:43,619
your research or what you are doing

1142
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,160
yes I have yeah yeah uh Coast Guard and

1143
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:49,920
police police have have spoken to me

1144
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:52,980
regarding the missing people

1145
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,400
and uh Coast Guard

1146
00:43:02,930 --> 00:42:59,040
off the Record have spoke to me about

1147
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:02,940
UFO related events and uh there's

1148
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:04,980
probably more if you because obviously

1149
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:06,660
we haven't pre-planned these questions

1150
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,140
so up top of my head and I've got police

1151
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:12,240
officers who come out onto the cliff

1152
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:13,800
tops with me and go into the forests

1153
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,760
with me uh or interested but as regards

1154
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:19,920
military personnel

1155
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:21,480
no and I'm probably going to kick myself

1156
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,099
someone will come into me and afterwards

1157
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:24,720
but uh and there's nothing that spring

1158
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:27,060
into mind so there's never been any sort

1159
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:29,220
of Men In Black type scenario or any

1160
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:30,660
kind of suited officials it's always

1161
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:33,420
been above board oh you make a good

1162
00:43:36,730 --> 00:43:34,680
point

1163
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,740
um whilst looking whilst looking into

1164
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:38,839
the animal

1165
00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:42,660
mutilations back in 2017 to 19. Bob

1166
00:43:46,690 --> 00:43:45,240
Brown was in it was in our one on our

1167
00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:46,700
properties the top flat weren't living

1168
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:51,300
in that property at the time and

1169
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:53,099
it was coming out with me on a regular

1170
00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:54,480
basis

1171
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,000
he told me one morning he works he works

1172
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:59,280
Bob 75 now so he'd have been in well it

1173
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,500
had been his 70 and he works at a

1174
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:03,000
charity shop every day so I think that

1175
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,319
tells you something about character look

1176
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,440
guy uh he used to walk into work on the

1177
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:10,079
morning he says he said he'd seen a UFO

1178
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:12,599
it was staying at a house on a place

1179
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:14,040
called cardigan Road in Bridlington

1180
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:15,960
they're quite affluent houses they were

1181
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:18,359
dog sitting for this this guy who'd gone

1182
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,619
away

1183
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:21,359
and he used to take the dog for a walk

1184
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:23,339
on the beach on a morning

1185
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:25,020
and

1186
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:26,819
I don't know which came first because I

1187
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,160
wrote about it in Truth or all three the

1188
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,680
big big enclosed back garden and this

1189
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,500
this collie dog he said we sat watching

1190
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,900
TV one one evening with the lights off

1191
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:38,579
and there's a small Conservatory in

1192
00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:41,640
front of some a window with the door

1193
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:43,980
he says the dog suddenly looks up we'll

1194
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:45,240
get to the beach in a minute Andy

1195
00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:46,319
because I don't know which one came

1196
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,359
first I can't remember now it says now

1197
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,520
often there's a bloke he says that looks

1198
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:51,839
like Zorro

1199
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,319
a picture of the hat and that I can see

1200
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:56,880
the outline of him he says the dog's

1201
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:59,400
going mad he said so I got up let the

1202
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:00,839
dog out the dog's just running around

1203
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,520
the garden barking

1204
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:04,200
there's nobody there it's a big Walled

1205
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,020
Garden fenced Gardens apologies fenced

1206
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:09,359
Garden uh with other properties at the

1207
00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:13,079
back uh but as I say big affluent houses

1208
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:16,020
and uh

1209
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:17,640
then he said I took the dog on the beach

1210
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:19,319
one morning and I don't know which one

1211
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:22,200
came first I think the UFO came first

1212
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:25,020
he said and there's a silver ball over

1213
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:28,380
the sea I'm looking at this thing

1214
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:29,700
can't believe I'm looking at it it's

1215
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:31,980
just because I like I love the subject

1216
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,500
of UFOs and all this how he says he told

1217
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:36,960
me all about it and then things started

1218
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:39,420
to happen for him he said I'm walking to

1219
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:40,920
work on a morning and there's a big

1220
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,839
black car past me

1221
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,119
and these were just these were just

1222
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:47,040
casual observations I mean the the

1223
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,839
silver ball they told me about weren't

1224
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:51,119
linked to this figure that he'd seen at

1225
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,339
the door at the time and this black cab

1226
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,960
they said it were a big American style

1227
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:56,400
black car passed him and then when he's

1228
00:46:00,290 --> 00:45:58,980
walking home it passes him again

1229
00:46:01,849 --> 00:46:00,300
so

1230
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,859
I can't remember exact date where

1231
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,599
anybody who wants to sort of Google the

1232
00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:05,760
world's dart championships it was that

1233
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:08,900
year and it were held in Bridlington

1234
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,319
I think we're looking at 2017. and so

1235
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,560
is in this house daylight he said

1236
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,000
there's a knock at the door the front

1237
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:21,359
door and there's a small porch where the

1238
00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:23,220
people took the boots off I'm only about

1239
00:46:27,050 --> 00:46:24,839
two or three foot wide so you've got

1240
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,060
obscure glass

1241
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:28,800
into the property but clear glass

1242
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:30,180
outside he says nothing's looking

1243
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:31,800
through all this frosted glass and I can

1244
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,440
see the shape of two suit what looked

1245
00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:36,900
like suited men with hats on it says may

1246
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:38,099
open the door

1247
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:39,900
and the stud there he said they're very

1248
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:42,359
tall well Bob's I'm only five foot to

1249
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:45,000
six Bob's about five foot two so they're

1250
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:46,260
gonna look tall to Bobby said but

1251
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:48,300
they're very tall very thin really white

1252
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:50,220
faces

1253
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,740
he says and I went can I help you he

1254
00:46:56,089 --> 00:46:54,240
says just open the door but he says

1255
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:56,099
you've seen something you shouldn't have

1256
00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:57,000
seen

1257
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:58,440
he said what do you mean he said and

1258
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,940
then they said some more things to him

1259
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,920
that he can't remember

1260
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:03,540
he said and in the end he says I became

1261
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:05,400
a bit frightened I slammed the door shut

1262
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:07,619
the other door he'd already put the dog

1263
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,140
outside in the garden before as they

1264
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:12,000
were knocking it was when they knocked

1265
00:47:16,609 --> 00:47:14,220
because the dog were going mad

1266
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:16,619
he says and I ran upstairs

1267
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,599
I could picture Bob running he didn't

1268
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,359
run but that's what he said uh upstairs

1269
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:22,800
to have a look out of the front window

1270
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,319
to see where they'd gone

1271
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,359
tonight

1272
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,880
it will light when they came but it's

1273
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,160
night time do you know he'd not even

1274
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:34,740
picked up on it until we got talking do

1275
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:36,300
you know what I mean said I looked up

1276
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:37,619
and down the street and street lights

1277
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:41,220
are on said Bob you saw him in daylight

1278
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:43,079
and that kind of give him a bit of a

1279
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:44,280
chill he didn't want to stay at property

1280
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:46,020
after that I know that's not my

1281
00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:48,540
experience Andy that's just is it a Men

1282
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:51,060
In Black experience I don't know do you

1283
00:47:54,589 --> 00:47:52,440
know the

1284
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:54,599
I really don't know I mean I've spoken

1285
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:57,780
to Coast Guard or a one particular Coast

1286
00:48:01,250 --> 00:48:00,180
Guard it was very high up within the

1287
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:01,260
service

1288
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:04,140
and he's his words to me and I I wrote

1289
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,119
it all down at one time we said you will

1290
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:09,359
never find a document anything worded in

1291
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:13,040
any any report that allows to

1292
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:17,760
unexplained phenomena or likes or UFOs I

1293
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:19,319
know for a fact that they've invested

1294
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:21,780
the the the they've been involved in

1295
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:25,140
what they've called UFO incidents

1296
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,980
and it's all been suppressed I get the

1297
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:30,480
information via freedom information

1298
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,339
request if I get a first-time witness

1299
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,319
then I've got an actual date and I can

1300
00:48:41,089 --> 00:48:35,760
throw it at them

1301
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:41,099
will stop September the 15th 2009 an old

1302
00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:43,800
lady on in these Flats at will stop

1303
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,460
the 16 Flats just literally a stone's

1304
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,200
throw literally into the North Sea

1305
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:51,839
nothing either side of them for a few

1306
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,180
miles and just Farmland at the back they

1307
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:56,640
were built in 1935 and there's just

1308
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:59,640
these 16 Flats in blocks of four quite

1309
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:01,740
quite isolated an old lady saw claimed

1310
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,940
she saw a circle of UFOs over the sea it

1311
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:08,160
will stop in 2009 and I've got

1312
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:09,720
absolutely

1313
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,800
the richest array of reports from 2009

1314
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:15,599
around that area that I've ever had and

1315
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:16,980
ever researched

1316
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:18,540
and

1317
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:22,859
the the military when the military came

1318
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,280
the day after what she said to me was

1319
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,380
the next day after I'd seen these

1320
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,839
objects her husband saw him as well uh

1321
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:32,880
he was terrified he went he went to bed

1322
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:34,260
he said I put my head on the pillar I

1323
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,119
didn't want to look out till morning she

1324
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:38,400
watched them for over an hour sorry just

1325
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:40,980
under an hour she went out she went to

1326
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,560
shut up late at night the flats have a

1327
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,839
communal outside light anybody can put

1328
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:47,760
theirs on or it's the same light she

1329
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:50,339
thought next door the light on opened

1330
00:49:55,309 --> 00:49:53,339
the porch looked in she said lightint on

1331
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,319
but it's somehow it's illuminated

1332
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,359
so I turned back around and go into the

1333
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,480
living room and a voice said to her go

1334
00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:02,400
back and have another look

1335
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:05,099
so she did she said no when I looked

1336
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:06,720
she said I thought oh my God she said

1337
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:08,280
there's just a circle of these things

1338
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:10,920
over the sea and the sea is boiling she

1339
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,140
shouted her husband he came and looked

1340
00:50:17,089 --> 00:50:15,359
uh each seen enough he said to me that

1341
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:17,099
you frightened him she watched it for

1342
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:18,660
just under an hour they were moving away

1343
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:20,819
in tools she said then the next day the

1344
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:22,140
military came

1345
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,079
uh and they've got big search lights on

1346
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:27,119
C because a lot of these flat Sandy

1347
00:50:30,890 --> 00:50:29,579
they're not they're not occupied year

1348
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,900
round a lot of them are used for Holiday

1349
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:33,119
Flats there's about three people that

1350
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:34,380
live in them and they've lived them all

1351
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:37,380
like not all the life but 20 30 years

1352
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:39,180
so I thought where do I go with this she

1353
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:40,920
can't remember a date

1354
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:43,020
and but with a rough idea it went

1355
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:45,660
between 2008 and 2011 so I'm going

1356
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,220
through archives and I thought I found a

1357
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,480
big cat report

1358
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,960
it said uh

1359
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,280
visitors see links

1360
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:55,440
so when I read it it's Link's helicopter

1361
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:58,020
so quite unexpectedly two links

1362
00:51:03,530 --> 00:50:59,700
helicopters arrive on the 15th of

1363
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:03,540
September two Chinooks army vehicles

1364
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:05,339
and the setup camp

1365
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:08,099
side of the flats so we know this is the

1366
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,220
night after uh all these things are

1367
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:13,200
supposed to be pre-arranged and done in

1368
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:14,400
advance

1369
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:16,980
the requisition the cabin at the yacht

1370
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,559
club which is it sounds a bit more

1371
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:21,599
exotic than it is outside of these Flats

1372
00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:24,660
it's just catamarans a tractor and a a

1373
00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:27,780
big sort of Porter cabin yeah Yacht Club

1374
00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:29,819
had no idea they were coming I know that

1375
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:31,319
because my son-in-law has a catamarang

1376
00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:33,900
there he got moved off so none of it

1377
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:35,579
nothing was planned they just arrived

1378
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,240
they stayed for two days uh the the the

1379
00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:41,520
so that's where I got the dates I put

1380
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:43,859
the freedom information request in uh

1381
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:45,180
they couldn't deny that they'd been

1382
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,260
there they're not going to say it's a

1383
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,480
UFO related event obviously and I've

1384
00:51:51,849 --> 00:51:50,400
only got this first-hand account from

1385
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:51,859
this lady we know that there's another

1386
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:54,780
sighting that same night that went to

1387
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:57,180
Coast Guard but can I get it no I cannot

1388
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:58,680
get hold of it and we know that a

1389
00:52:02,450 --> 00:51:59,880
witness

1390
00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:02,460
said that she saw orange spheres of

1391
00:52:06,349 --> 00:52:04,859
light coming from the the right hand

1392
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:06,359
side an orange space of light coming

1393
00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:09,480
from the left to what towards or merging

1394
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,460
into what looked like a large black

1395
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:13,920
yacht sail over the sea

1396
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,720
it's triangle in it you know that's what

1397
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:17,460
it sounds like to me and they don't mean

1398
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:20,280
on surfaces either mean in the air I

1399
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,200
know this do I how do I know this report

1400
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:25,200
exists because the Coast Guard

1401
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,720
has had a look and told me but it don't

1402
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:30,240
exist if you ask do you know what I mean

1403
00:52:36,349 --> 00:52:33,240
yeah but it's there the information is

1404
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:36,359
there uh there's another one

1405
00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:39,420
well there's quite a few there's he's

1406
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:41,579
he's fascinating let's just say there's

1407
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,020
there's quite a lot of stuff that I've

1408
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:45,480
managed to obtain just by having as you

1409
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:47,160
know you've got to put the right wording

1410
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:49,020
in and the correct year and everything

1411
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:50,700
otherwise oh you could if you've got a

1412
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:51,900
day out and they didn't want to get

1413
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:53,160
information they're not going to tell

1414
00:52:57,950 --> 00:52:55,700
you uh yeah

1415
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,960
the folks who put that kind of work in

1416
00:53:01,609 --> 00:52:59,520
you know there's Grant lavac there's a

1417
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,619
listener who is in Australia and you've

1418
00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:03,540
got John Greenwald and others in the US

1419
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:05,339
officer John Greenwald makes a living

1420
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,260
from it quite rightly he's very good at

1421
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:09,359
what he does and he reports that I know

1422
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:11,819
I've spoken to the Jazz Shaw journalist

1423
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,500
as well and he's talked about fire

1424
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:15,599
putting in fire requests for documents

1425
00:53:19,849 --> 00:53:17,940
he actually had and being told the

1426
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,859
document didn't exist and he had the

1427
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:21,359
document already and it's just that's

1428
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:22,740
that like you say it can be the person

1429
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,420
the date if they don't want you to have

1430
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:25,920
it you're not going to get it well I'll

1431
00:53:31,569 --> 00:53:27,720
give you an example

1432
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:31,579
um if I can think right June the 15th

1433
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:34,500
tornadoes at e723 disappears from radar

1434
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,260
over the North Sea

1435
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:39,720
the time I was very

1436
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,400
I were always going into the Lifeboat

1437
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:44,160
station at uh at Bridlington a very good

1438
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:45,599
with me a lot of Lifeboat stations where

1439
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:47,460
let me look through logs

1440
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:51,059
and uh we're also looking on system the

1441
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:52,740
guy's not doing anything untoward he's

1442
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,200
I'm just asking him for information I'm

1443
00:53:58,910 --> 00:53:57,359
not asking for anything Secret

1444
00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:58,920
and I come across this thing that said

1445
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,260
this is on a Lifeboat log not a call

1446
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:04,079
schedule and it said object

1447
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:06,780
so this is roughly the time that the

1448
00:54:10,849 --> 00:54:08,700
tornado vanished I think it was a few

1449
00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:10,859
days before and it said

1450
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,460
large black object seemed to fall from

1451
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,040
the sky land on the surface of the sea

1452
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:19,680
seen by hornsey and wither and see

1453
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:22,740
fishermen Lifeboat deployed nothing to

1454
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,420
be seen object

1455
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:26,400
so I thought right I'm gonna request

1456
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:27,780
freedom information requesting to Coast

1457
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,960
Guard we've got the date I've seen it on

1458
00:54:34,910 --> 00:54:32,640
the live bolt log

1459
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:34,920
I've actually got it I've got it now

1460
00:54:38,569 --> 00:54:36,780
I've bought the guys gave it me uh you

1461
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:38,579
know I put a request into Lifeboat and

1462
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,800
they sent it me they'd redacted the word

1463
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:42,960
object but they were too late I'd seen

1464
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:45,059
it so I'm not gonna it was there even if

1465
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:47,160
it's not on report now it did say object

1466
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,140
that's exactly what it was called but

1467
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,880
when I put it into Coast Guard with the

1468
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:53,040
exact details the exact times

1469
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:54,660
no knowledge of it

1470
00:55:00,530 --> 00:54:58,980
Guard that rang Lifeboat to go out so I

1471
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,540
know exactly what you're saying there

1472
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:02,400
under and we call you Andrew or Sunday

1473
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:03,720
down there

1474
00:55:08,329 --> 00:55:06,420
uh send it in get me in trouble I was

1475
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:08,339
wondering through through your years of

1476
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:10,380
research not to keep you know saying

1477
00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:11,280
you've been doing this for a long time

1478
00:55:15,049 --> 00:55:12,780
but you have and you've put a lot of

1479
00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:15,059
work in over that time is there any one

1480
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,400
or maybe a couple of opinions you've had

1481
00:55:20,809 --> 00:55:19,680
from the early days that just do the

1482
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:20,819
work you've put in and the

1483
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:22,440
investigations have changed

1484
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:24,780
substantially over that time

1485
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:31,190
I would think that the Cryptid related

1486
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:33,900
part of the subject never thought I

1487
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:36,780
would even be remotely interested about

1488
00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:39,000
from as a teenager looking at

1489
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:41,400
horror films and things thinking Christ

1490
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:43,380
This is a bit spooky it gets you on edge

1491
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:46,380
I didn't really place any great value on

1492
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:49,800
on the Cryptid related reports and then

1493
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,780
do me a favor Paul some some listeners

1494
00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:52,920
might be listening to this and I've

1495
00:55:55,849 --> 00:55:54,540
talked about it on some podcasts but

1496
00:55:58,190 --> 00:55:55,859
depending when they come into different

1497
00:56:01,609 --> 00:55:58,200
interviews what do you mean by encrypted

1498
00:56:03,370 --> 00:56:01,619
Cryptid Bigfoot type reports people

1499
00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:03,380
claiming to have actually seen something

1500
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:07,740
akin to a werewolf yeah and

1501
00:56:12,109 --> 00:56:09,780
Paul Sinclair never thought it would be

1502
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:12,119
looking into anything like that but you

1503
00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:13,619
know when writing the first book I got

1504
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,720
her a few reports from Dane's Dyke which

1505
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,760
is about three miles from me and a place

1506
00:56:22,490 --> 00:56:20,160
called flixton in North Yorkshire which

1507
00:56:24,829 --> 00:56:22,500
is 11 miles from me flexton has the

1508
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:24,839
oldest report of a werewolf probably in

1509
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,420
the world the flixton werewolf and up

1510
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:30,000
and I don't think anybody's written more

1511
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:32,040
about it than myself I mean people talk

1512
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,599
about you might have heard about old

1513
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:36,240
stinker the the werewolf that is said to

1514
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:38,460
exist on the bamston drain all the I

1515
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:40,260
would say oh but a lot of the reports

1516
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:42,900
associated with that story come from

1517
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,780
flixton 45 miles away uh that they've

1518
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,520
just attached themselves to to that

1519
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,200
story to add a bit more Credence to it

1520
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:51,599
but the flickstone werewolf I've got

1521
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:54,660
reports going back to the 1930s I've got

1522
00:57:00,049 --> 00:56:57,420
reports from present day of this this

1523
00:57:01,430 --> 00:57:00,059
bipedal fur covered creature that's said

1524
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:01,440
to exist

1525
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,960
be intermittently around the area and I

1526
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:06,000
do not think for one second that we have

1527
00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:08,220
something living and breathing that's

1528
00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:11,339
managing to forge an existence in these

1529
00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:14,660
locations it's something else

1530
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:17,339
you know it's it's it is there is an

1531
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:20,760
unexplained aspect to things that of

1532
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,440
this nature that people are reporting

1533
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:24,000
you know

1534
00:57:29,809 --> 00:57:27,900
if we go back to 937 A.D that's well

1535
00:57:32,569 --> 00:57:29,819
over a thousand years ago

1536
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:32,579
uh you've you've got the the then King

1537
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:36,599
athleston who in his writings writes

1538
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:40,500
that he wants a refuge built at flixton

1539
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:42,780
for the protection of travelers from

1540
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:45,240
wolves now we all know that wolves would

1541
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:46,980
have been prevalent on the East and

1542
00:57:51,130 --> 00:57:48,300
North Yorkshire all over the United

1543
00:57:53,470 --> 00:57:51,140
Kingdom in 937 A.D

1544
00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:53,480
1034 years ago

1545
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:57,300
Bears wouldn't have been they they died

1546
00:58:02,270 --> 00:57:59,940
out long before so why did I say Bears

1547
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:02,280
because the writing says from wolves and

1548
00:58:07,549 --> 00:58:05,700
an infestation of savage beasts

1549
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:07,559
even back then well it's not said

1550
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,660
werewolf is but even that back then

1551
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:11,520
you've got this that little weird little

1552
00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:13,740
tagline then you go three miles away and

1553
00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:16,020
you've got a place called East ayton and

1554
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:19,079
folklore tells a writer called Howard

1555
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,440
Braley 121 years ago wrote about the bar

1556
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:25,200
guest of East Eton which the bar guest

1557
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:28,680
was a huge fearsome Hound that was sent

1558
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,140
to haunt the forests and Moors of that

1559
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:34,079
area it's about seven miles away

1560
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:36,780
but we've been doing the documentary now

1561
00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:39,480
for three years called wolf lands we've

1562
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:40,920
got witnesses who were in a forest

1563
00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:42,900
called broxa Forest which is literally

1564
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:46,200
two miles from East Dayton or claimed to

1565
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:48,119
have seen something like that we've got

1566
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:50,579
gamekeepers seven miles away at cropton

1567
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,619
Forest or claimed to have seen something

1568
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:55,200
exactly the same none of these people

1569
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:57,780
know each other we've got about

1570
00:59:05,770 --> 00:59:01,440
12 uh yeah 12 Witnesses in wolflands

1571
00:59:09,289 --> 00:59:05,780
first hand accounts diversity of people

1572
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:09,299
unrelated unconnected all claiming to

1573
00:59:13,849 --> 00:59:11,400
have seen something very similar within

1574
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,859
this concentrated location

1575
00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:16,079
uh you know the gamekeeper

1576
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,780
took believer in all this but what's

1577
00:59:23,809 --> 00:59:20,640
interesting it started with light form

1578
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:23,819
phenomena he's walking back to he was he

1579
00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:25,380
was he's in his own words he said I'd

1580
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,000
gone a little bit feral

1581
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:28,799
he said and I was living in a caravan at

1582
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:31,380
first as a Game Keeper in 2002 at a

1583
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:33,420
place called stape in North Yorkshire

1584
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,460
close to cropton Forest

1585
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,680
six or seven miles from baroxa forest

1586
00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:39,420
where the Rotherham Witnesses had their

1587
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,140
encounter in 2018. he said I found a he

1588
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,599
says you can walk these paths all over

1589
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:47,760
the place in these forests there's 525

1590
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:50,520
square miles of forest and more so

1591
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:52,440
there's and a lot of it's never trodden

1592
00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:55,440
on he said but you very rarely go off

1593
00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:58,440
off path into the forest he says in this

1594
01:00:01,069 --> 00:59:59,940
particular day I just ventured in I'd

1595
01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:01,079
been working there a couple of years

1596
01:00:06,049 --> 01:00:02,900
there's a farmhouse

1597
01:00:08,809 --> 01:00:06,059
abandoned abandoned since 1956 he found

1598
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:08,819
out says there's Tall Pines 40 foot

1599
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:11,160
pounds tied up to the sides of it at the

1600
01:00:15,289 --> 01:00:12,839
back of it and about 30 foot in front

1601
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,299
that's clear a bit of clear felon then

1602
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:18,000
more Pines I used it as a base he said I

1603
01:00:21,530 --> 01:00:19,440
thought this is about a caravan there's

1604
01:00:23,450 --> 01:00:21,540
a well there's a fire

1605
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,460
said so that's where that's I set up

1606
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:24,960
base he said and I've been there a while

1607
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:27,180
my cousin came to stay with me for a few

1608
01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:28,799
days

1609
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,780
it says and we're walking back along the

1610
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,160
Logging Road

1611
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:35,280
and his ex-marine this guy this is

1612
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:37,140
that'll make sense in a moment he says

1613
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:38,520
suddenly

1614
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,579
a light to silence baseball-sized light

1615
01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:43,680
just shoots up at the side of him he

1616
01:00:48,049 --> 01:00:45,720
says I dropped my cousin mad Danny to

1617
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,059
the deck and I expected Squad is to come

1618
01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:49,680
out because we're very close to filing

1619
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:52,500
Nails RF filing Dales uh but two miles

1620
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:54,420
away says I expected Squad is to come

1621
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:55,740
out I thought we'd caught a trip by a

1622
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,819
flare

1623
01:01:00,530 --> 01:00:58,079
nothing

1624
01:01:02,990 --> 01:01:00,540
it says I came back the next day

1625
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,000
there's there's no magnesium Burns

1626
01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:05,280
there's nothing he said but then he said

1627
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,839
my cousin went home that next day he

1628
01:01:10,849 --> 01:01:08,400
said but then

1629
01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:10,859
with the other Game Keeper we started to

1630
01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:13,020
hear a baby crying in forest

1631
01:01:18,170 --> 01:01:16,440
and uh he said whenever we went to where

1632
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:18,180
we thought we'd heard this baby

1633
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,579
it stopped and it's a good it appeared

1634
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:23,040
to start again deeper in don't forget

1635
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,480
these are game Keepers they're not

1636
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:26,640
they're not listening to a a fox or a

1637
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:28,680
cat or an Hedgehog that's been caught by

1638
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:30,660
you know because I've never done some

1639
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:32,220
Macabre people but I've brought me right

1640
01:01:36,349 --> 01:01:34,140
up in country and an adult sounds

1641
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:36,359
uncannonly like an infant if it's been

1642
01:01:41,210 --> 01:01:39,240
attacked you know they do cry which is

1643
01:01:42,589 --> 01:01:41,220
not nice but anyway it didn't know what

1644
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:42,599
it was

1645
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:44,700
few days past is in The Farmhouse he

1646
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:45,839
said it does all it feels like there's

1647
01:01:48,589 --> 01:01:47,400
somebody watching him at all times and

1648
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:48,599
right onto his shoulder he said it's

1649
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,740
weird

1650
01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:51,599
so I'm late in The Farmhouse he says the

1651
01:01:54,770 --> 01:01:53,099
front door's bolted up the back door's

1652
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,780
barricaded up and I've got a fire going

1653
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,880
and I'm in my sleeping bag

1654
01:02:00,650 --> 01:01:59,220
and I don't know what time it wobbly

1655
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:00,660
woke up and he looked up at this window

1656
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:03,599
of the Square Windows no curtains

1657
01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:05,760
nothing is in middle of nowhere it says

1658
01:02:10,490 --> 01:02:07,500
and this thing just come to window he

1659
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,500
says and it filled the window it says

1660
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:12,240
and it's stopping down looking in we've

1661
01:02:15,230 --> 01:02:13,680
been back we've measured it well over

1662
01:02:16,490 --> 01:02:15,240
seven foot tall he said he had a

1663
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:16,500
monstrous head

1664
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:19,140
great big deltoids as he's saying and

1665
01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:20,760
it's looking in and

1666
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,400
he says the the glowing Embers of the

1667
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,960
fire he says I don't know if he can see

1668
01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:26,400
me but it's looking down I don't see

1669
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:28,920
eyes I don't see teeth I just see this

1670
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:30,540
monstrous outline

1671
01:02:36,049 --> 01:02:33,299
he said so the next night

1672
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:36,059
he said I decided in his word to get the

1673
01:02:39,470 --> 01:02:37,740
drop on it

1674
01:02:41,089 --> 01:02:39,480
and it's not they don't mean he's going

1675
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:41,099
to attack this thing or try and shoot it

1676
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:42,240
he said but

1677
01:02:47,569 --> 01:02:44,700
if in the clearing where the pine trees

1678
01:02:48,289 --> 01:02:47,579
go about 30 foot away says I put a tarp

1679
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,299
down

1680
01:02:51,770 --> 01:02:50,400
I got settled in he says because I just

1681
01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:51,780
couldn't settle I felt like I've been

1682
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:53,880
watched everywhere I went before I'd

1683
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:55,980
even seen this thing he says and

1684
01:03:01,130 --> 01:02:58,020
sometime in early hours he says it came

1685
01:03:02,690 --> 01:03:01,140
out of the forest and it arrived this is

1686
01:03:04,910 --> 01:03:02,700
another unusual aspect to these

1687
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:04,920
sightings it didn't work he said he

1688
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:07,140
arrived he said he said he said what

1689
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:10,079
just above the gutter he said he knew

1690
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:12,180
just where it were going and it turned

1691
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:13,920
and it looked in the window

1692
01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:16,380
he says now I'm watching this thing

1693
01:03:20,510 --> 01:03:18,059
and it thinks and I've put a sleeping

1694
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:20,520
bag in The Farmhouse packed with

1695
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:23,160
clothing he says so I'm watching it

1696
01:03:27,770 --> 01:03:26,280
watching it thinks he's watching me

1697
01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:27,780
he said and it's just stood there and I

1698
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,220
can see this Shield shoulders I don't

1699
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:31,680
remember even seeing his legs

1700
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,559
he said there's Tufts of grass and seeds

1701
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,480
he said you'd think you'd see some kind

1702
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:38,640
of body movement he said but it more

1703
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,420
just smoothly just the spot he said and

1704
01:03:47,809 --> 01:03:45,119
suddenly I realized that

1705
01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:47,819
I kind of knew it knew I were there

1706
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:50,040
he said I can't explain how either that

1707
01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:51,720
or there were another one watching me he

1708
01:03:55,069 --> 01:03:53,579
said I don't it were weird he said after

1709
01:03:57,530 --> 01:03:55,079
five or ten minutes he turned and went

1710
01:03:59,690 --> 01:03:57,540
back in the forest

1711
01:04:01,490 --> 01:03:59,700
he says I sat there then another 20 25

1712
01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:01,500
minutes he said and I went round the

1713
01:04:05,210 --> 01:04:03,900
back of the Farmhouse and in I would

1714
01:04:07,309 --> 01:04:05,220
have been terrified I don't know what

1715
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:07,319
I'd have done you know I I really would

1716
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:09,660
I think I'd have stayed where I was but

1717
01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:12,420
he went in the next day he packed his

1718
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:13,859
things up and he'd never been back until

1719
01:04:17,809 --> 01:04:15,960
he came back in forest with us it had

1720
01:04:21,049 --> 01:04:17,819
been about several times actually over

1721
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,059
years I think the cell guns that took

1722
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:24,000
place a few miles away so he's still

1723
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:25,680
into his his hunting and he's shooting

1724
01:04:29,569 --> 01:04:28,140
so he's been back for that but but we've

1725
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,579
actually been back and spent nights in

1726
01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:31,680
Forest now so

1727
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:34,440
you know he

1728
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:37,260
it's just it's a fabulous story what's

1729
01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:38,700
interesting and we've not got this in

1730
01:04:41,870 --> 01:04:40,440
Wolf lands Andy because it's only is

1731
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:41,880
this is troubled him it's only just come

1732
01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:45,299
back to him literally this last two

1733
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:47,339
weeks and it's too late now for us to

1734
01:04:50,750 --> 01:04:48,960
add to Wolf lands

1735
01:04:53,089 --> 01:04:50,760
the night that they found the sphere of

1736
01:04:55,490 --> 01:04:53,099
the the sphere of light burst up from

1737
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:55,500
the ground at the side of them

1738
01:05:00,109 --> 01:04:58,559
they couldn't find The Farmhouse

1739
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,119
he said I don't know why I've never

1740
01:05:04,130 --> 01:05:02,160
remembered it to this time to this day

1741
01:05:06,890 --> 01:05:04,140
he said but we couldn't find The

1742
01:05:08,990 --> 01:05:06,900
Farmhouse we had to sleep outside we had

1743
01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:09,000
to build a fire and sleep outside all

1744
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:11,160
night which is impossible because I know

1745
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,140
where this sort sphere of light and

1746
01:05:17,809 --> 01:05:15,119
although it were forested then

1747
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:17,819
it's still only 200 yards away in a

1748
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:20,280
direct line strange but you've got

1749
01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:22,440
you've got this strange there's so many

1750
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:25,079
things that take these these these

1751
01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:26,760
creatures

1752
01:05:29,809 --> 01:05:28,260
for once of a better word and do I

1753
01:05:31,309 --> 01:05:29,819
believe they exist yet I do believe they

1754
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:31,319
exist would I have said that four or

1755
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:35,160
five years ago definitely not uh but too

1756
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,020
many people good people telling me these

1757
01:05:40,370 --> 01:05:38,640
incredible stories but there's so many

1758
01:05:42,770 --> 01:05:40,380
things that take them away from a normal

1759
01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:42,780
Flesh and Blood creature

1760
01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:44,940
I've said before Paul and for some

1761
01:05:49,309 --> 01:05:46,980
strange reason maybe it's years of being

1762
01:05:51,410 --> 01:05:49,319
brought upon Hollywood movies I struggle

1763
01:05:53,150 --> 01:05:51,420
to associate the same levels of activity

1764
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:53,160
that are reported in other parts of the

1765
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:55,680
world is is happening in the UK the same

1766
01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:57,180
way if I go and watch a film and

1767
01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:58,619
someone's Scottish is on the screen

1768
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,839
that's like oh it takes it takes me out

1769
01:06:04,609 --> 01:06:02,160
it slightly

1770
01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:04,619
um for you though is the UK as

1771
01:06:09,650 --> 01:06:07,260
interesting uh a multi-phenomena hot

1772
01:06:11,809 --> 01:06:09,660
spot as anywhere else in the world I

1773
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,819
would think so uh but I would also say

1774
01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:13,200
that there'll be other places all over

1775
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:14,700
the world that probably aren't even got

1776
01:06:20,450 --> 01:06:17,940
a name that we'd know that are just as

1777
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:20,460
active do you know I mean an american

1778
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,260
guy came through to see me a few years

1779
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:24,240
ago and he'd been to skinwalker

1780
01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:26,220
he'd been to the is it the hayabaku

1781
01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:28,140
forest in is it Romania that's supposed

1782
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,420
to be uh highly charged area for

1783
01:06:34,730 --> 01:06:32,400
unexplained phenomena and he wanted to

1784
01:06:36,349 --> 01:06:34,740
try Benton the only place that he had an

1785
01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:36,359
experience Wilmington

1786
01:06:40,250 --> 01:06:38,099
and it's not it weren't something

1787
01:06:42,529 --> 01:06:40,260
life-changing they said that he's

1788
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:42,539
camping on the cliff tops he went for a

1789
01:06:45,410 --> 01:06:43,559
walk

1790
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,420
early hours at morning

1791
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:47,520
and we've experienced this what is what

1792
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,960
he were talking about I knew what he was

1793
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,400
going to say well somebody said the

1794
01:06:54,049 --> 01:06:52,559
noise he says as I walked he said he

1795
01:06:56,529 --> 01:06:54,059
said and he's very close to where these

1796
01:06:59,870 --> 01:06:56,539
sheep were being

1797
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,880
mutilated uh he says I'm walking along

1798
01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:02,160
Cliff tops he said suddenly I walk into

1799
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:07,309
high-pitched sound in my ear

1800
01:07:12,589 --> 01:07:09,420
so stop step back

1801
01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:12,599
it's gone step forward it's there step

1802
01:07:18,289 --> 01:07:14,579
forward again it's gone

1803
01:07:20,569 --> 01:07:18,299
step back it's there and we've heard it

1804
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:20,579
we I've only heard it once I'm not gonna

1805
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,780
say I've heard it lots of times I've

1806
01:07:25,390 --> 01:07:23,520
heard it once there's numerous people

1807
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:25,400
being up onto the cliff tops and

1808
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,079
experienced it I went I went to the time

1809
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:29,760
I heard it tell a guy called Steve

1810
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:32,760
ashbridge and and the lady called an

1811
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:34,260
actress called kelly Hollis I don't know

1812
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,180
if you know from Shameless

1813
01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:39,119
uh yes yeah yeah yeah well just

1814
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,940
at that time Kelly and Steve were

1815
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,640
in a relationship should we say and

1816
01:07:49,309 --> 01:07:47,039
Steve's one of my best friends and I

1817
01:07:50,990 --> 01:07:49,319
just suddenly went I don't know if you

1818
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,000
can hear this but there's a strange

1819
01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:53,280
high-pitched noise shazakhan can hear it

1820
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,900
Steve couldn't hear it

1821
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,119
and she'd got her hands over her ears in

1822
01:08:01,970 --> 01:08:00,000
the end and uh yeah really really

1823
01:08:02,690 --> 01:08:01,980
strange and she said if it carries on

1824
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:02,700
we're gonna have to go it's

1825
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,400
uncomfortable but he stopped the the

1826
01:08:11,150 --> 01:08:08,400
noise stopped whatever that noise was

1827
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,160
see off the coast of the US people will

1828
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:13,680
report that these objects may have bases

1829
01:08:16,490 --> 01:08:15,180
and you'll be well aware of those sorts

1830
01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:16,500
of reports

1831
01:08:20,090 --> 01:08:18,600
um the famous recently famous cases

1832
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,100
being the Nimitz you know incident

1833
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,560
people say off the coast of Catalina uh

1834
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:24,540
those islands that are potentially bases

1835
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:26,940
these objects may be kept given the

1836
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:28,500
activity you've witnessed and you've

1837
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,299
talked about in the localities and and

1838
01:08:36,169 --> 01:08:32,640
the northeast of England do you think

1839
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,179
we've potentially got bases or potential

1840
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:38,400
evidence for bases underwater around the

1841
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,839
UK I think it's possible you know I mean

1842
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:44,640
I've personally witnessed

1843
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,500
spheres of light under the water once a

1844
01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:48,719
sphere circular Lights under the water

1845
01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:51,299
with Bob Brown I've got lots of reports

1846
01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:53,580
of Lights under the water and there's

1847
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,100
it's interesting because what you've got

1848
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,839
on Old maps and this will get back to

1849
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:00,719
the bases uh in a certain area about 10

1850
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:03,420
to 15 miles off Benton and flambora it's

1851
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:05,699
they say a magnetic anomaly is said to

1852
01:09:10,130 --> 01:09:07,500
exist in this location

1853
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:10,140
and you've got fisherman who fished the

1854
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:11,819
area for 10 years 15 years 20 years

1855
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,500
never come across anything and then

1856
01:09:16,729 --> 01:09:14,640
they'll tell you that this particular

1857
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,739
day they're steaming out as they say

1858
01:09:20,689 --> 01:09:18,719
suddenly it compasses just doing what it

1859
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:20,699
wants we know where we ask us with

1860
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:23,160
seasoned fishermen uh but they're going

1861
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,660
out to their fishing grounds but in that

1862
01:09:28,849 --> 01:09:26,640
area as well there's an area where you

1863
01:09:31,689 --> 01:09:28,859
can nobody can fish and it's a submarine

1864
01:09:33,890 --> 01:09:31,699
training ground which is very

1865
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:33,900
there's very little known about it do

1866
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,920
you know what I mean and you've got a

1867
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:36,960
crater there huge impact traitor called

1868
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:40,140
the silver pit crater and so there's a

1869
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:41,520
lot of people suggested that there could

1870
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:42,420
be

1871
01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:45,060
underwater activity underwater bases I

1872
01:09:49,309 --> 01:09:46,859
mean I'm not in a position to say yes

1873
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:49,319
there is we've got reports of UFOs

1874
01:09:53,090 --> 01:09:51,480
coming out of the water I've never

1875
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:53,100
personally seen anything coming out of

1876
01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:54,420
the water but I've got

1877
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,460
more than one report I've probably got

1878
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:58,800
five or six reports and it's always in

1879
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:01,679
the similar location it's always off the

1880
01:10:06,530 --> 01:10:04,380
point of flamber and Benton about 10 to

1881
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:06,540
15 miles out that these things are seen

1882
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:09,840
so I suppose there's a possibility

1883
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,239
outside of the UK right now I mentioned

1884
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:14,640
the US that our bills in motion where

1885
01:10:19,130 --> 01:10:16,920
potentially we may see individuals

1886
01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:19,140
coming forward to testify to Congress

1887
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,900
about various aspects of the UFO topic

1888
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:23,520
how much do you keep up to date with

1889
01:10:27,169 --> 01:10:25,320
what's going on across the water

1890
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,179
uh I don't

1891
01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:29,520
no seriously and maybe I should but I

1892
01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:31,140
don't I find I'm that immersed in what

1893
01:10:34,250 --> 01:10:32,520
I'm doing

1894
01:10:35,689 --> 01:10:34,260
um and and that's not that's not to say

1895
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:35,699
that there aren't some absolutely

1896
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:36,840
incredible

1897
01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:39,060
pieces of information out there but

1898
01:10:42,290 --> 01:10:40,620
that's something I noticed with you Andy

1899
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:42,300
when you know when you were talking on

1900
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,280
on Truth proof live stream our live

1901
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:47,280
stream you're very

1902
01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:49,560
you're very entrenched in in the

1903
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:51,480
up-to-date news you know what's

1904
01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:54,360
happening and I don't I I re I've really

1905
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:56,520
got no idea out of what's Happening

1906
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:58,880
really outside of my little world

1907
01:11:03,530 --> 01:11:01,920
you know no I I don't blame you but I'd

1908
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,540
love your opinion on this then so just

1909
01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:06,000
now they've passed in their defense fill

1910
01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:08,280
some language which is basically opening

1911
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,900
the doors for people who may have

1912
01:11:14,810 --> 01:11:12,480
knowledge of special access programs

1913
01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:14,820
maybe crash retrieval programs any sort

1914
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:16,920
of UFO knowledge essentially to come

1915
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,920
forward to maybe under NDA or feel

1916
01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:21,840
threatened about coming forward to talk

1917
01:11:25,610 --> 01:11:23,640
about the UFO subject in a really

1918
01:11:27,649 --> 01:11:25,620
serious mainstream way

1919
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:27,659
um and I just wonder if that does happen

1920
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:29,580
in the US and they talk about it

1921
01:11:34,850 --> 01:11:31,980
politically and in a more open Forum

1922
01:11:37,310 --> 01:11:34,860
potentially still behind closed doors do

1923
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,320
you think we could see any

1924
01:11:42,649 --> 01:11:40,080
impact in the UK from that that if

1925
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:42,659
things do open up more in the US that

1926
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,159
you you'll know better than anyone Paul

1927
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:46,560
in the UK it's just not talked about in

1928
01:11:50,330 --> 01:11:48,179
a political Arena it's laughed about

1929
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:50,340
still it's just a joke you'll be in the

1930
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:51,960
newspaper do you think that could help

1931
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:54,480
us I think it could help us immensely

1932
01:11:57,290 --> 01:11:56,280
you know there's only so long that you

1933
01:12:03,290 --> 01:11:57,300
can keep

1934
01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:03,300
denial do you know I think the internet

1935
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:04,920
in a lot of ways has been a great thing

1936
01:12:09,470 --> 01:12:07,440
because it's it's just absolutely showed

1937
01:12:11,209 --> 01:12:09,480
the diversity and the the enormity of

1938
01:12:15,530 --> 01:12:11,219
what what people are actually seeing

1939
01:12:17,209 --> 01:12:15,540
witnessing experiencing and if if

1940
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:17,219
they're going to have open debate in

1941
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:20,520
America by people in official them

1942
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:24,120
I think it can only it can only sort of

1943
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:26,460
pushed the cause further further forward

1944
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:30,000
in favor of more open debate for people

1945
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:31,920
within the United Kingdom it's a

1946
01:12:35,450 --> 01:12:34,020
snowball it just gathers Pace I think it

1947
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:35,460
will yeah

1948
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:37,260
I hope so listen I want to get to listen

1949
01:12:40,669 --> 01:12:38,580
our questions Paul because you've been

1950
01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:40,679
very generous with your time already and

1951
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,659
we've talked a lot about the books and

1952
01:12:46,189 --> 01:12:44,159
we're going to get to will flange have

1953
01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:46,199
mentioned a few times as well before we

1954
01:12:49,490 --> 01:12:47,699
finish up but we've got lots of lesson

1955
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,500
our questions for you thanks to everyone

1956
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,120
who sent them in I've had to leave off

1957
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:53,520
more than half of them hopefully some of

1958
01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:54,840
your questions have been answered in the

1959
01:12:58,189 --> 01:12:56,219
body of the interview but I'd love to

1960
01:12:59,450 --> 01:12:58,199
have Paul back on again in the near

1961
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:59,460
future in any way to get through some

1962
01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:00,840
more otherwise

1963
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:02,820
um so first up Paul a question from Matt

1964
01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:05,820
Melvin over on patreon Matt asks did

1965
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,380
Paul ever get to have a conversation

1966
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,120
with Brandon Frugal about the

1967
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:11,760
similarities between his experiences and

1968
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:14,040
those on Skinwalker Ranch Matt said to

1969
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:15,600
me he tried to connect you both back in

1970
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:18,719
early 2021 I remember this guy trying to

1971
01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:22,560
connect to Noah I never did uh and I

1972
01:13:26,649 --> 01:13:24,360
still would Mark I still would like to

1973
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:26,659
if you if you've still got those

1974
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:30,300
those those links and uh the potential

1975
01:13:33,649 --> 01:13:32,280
to connect me up please do yeah I would

1976
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:33,659
like to

1977
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:36,360
I can give you um some some of that

1978
01:13:39,470 --> 01:13:37,560
stuff you need to spell if you want to

1979
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:39,480
get in touch with Brandon um so yeah

1980
01:13:44,750 --> 01:13:41,340
hard guy to get a hold of don't expect

1981
01:13:46,250 --> 01:13:44,760
to apply necessarily instantly it would

1982
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:46,260
be fascinating I'll tell you what I

1983
01:13:49,330 --> 01:13:47,640
think

1984
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,340
Andy

1985
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:52,080
researchers and I use that term loosely

1986
01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:53,580
because I think we're all researchers if

1987
01:13:57,050 --> 01:13:55,500
we're involved in the subject so it

1988
01:13:58,729 --> 01:13:57,060
depends how much time you want to devote

1989
01:14:01,010 --> 01:13:58,739
to it but everybody that's got an

1990
01:14:02,930 --> 01:14:01,020
interest is a researcher to some degree

1991
01:14:06,430 --> 01:14:02,940
so I don't think I'm special in that in

1992
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:06,440
that way but these places where

1993
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:08,699
purportedly the things of high strangers

1994
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,500
are occurring we should be getting

1995
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:12,960
together where you know if I got

1996
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:14,820
something fabulous or incredible that

1997
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,520
that happened up around this location it

1998
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:19,199
would be good to be able to contact the

1999
01:14:23,330 --> 01:14:21,540
people in in other parts of the world

2000
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,340
and say look this has just happened

2001
01:14:27,169 --> 01:14:25,199
because

2002
01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:27,179
they might be getting the similar things

2003
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:29,100
might be happening there do you know

2004
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:32,340
what I mean we need to be sharing this

2005
01:14:36,830 --> 01:14:34,260
information that everybody's too guarded

2006
01:14:38,930 --> 01:14:36,840
with the information and and I can see

2007
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:38,940
in some instances why I mean I've I've

2008
01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:40,620
coined phrases on I'll get to your

2009
01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:41,699
questions in a moment I've coined

2010
01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:43,739
phrases in the past and I see all the

2011
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:45,300
researchers using them and I find that

2012
01:14:48,830 --> 01:14:46,920
frustrating they're only words I don't

2013
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:48,840
own anybody's words but I talked about

2014
01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:51,960
ilf intelligent life forms back in 2002

2015
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,840
and people use it now and and not the

2016
01:14:58,130 --> 01:14:56,159
other credits you for it you know the

2017
01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:58,140
lower silence lots and lots of things

2018
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,640
but

2019
01:15:03,169 --> 01:15:01,440
I'm rumbling here I'm going to ask

2020
01:15:05,689 --> 01:15:03,179
myself more questions please

2021
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,699
no that's fine and uh look forward to my

2022
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:07,679
new lower silence podcast starting next

2023
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:13,430
um Dave Smith long time listener and I'm

2024
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:14,820
pretty sure Dave's spoken to you a few

2025
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,280
occasions at various uh

2026
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,199
um conferences and whatnot around the UK

2027
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,120
he was at the same one we were at and

2028
01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:23,040
spoke to each other back in October in

2029
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,980
Manchester uh Dave asks as Paula said

2030
01:15:29,810 --> 01:15:28,320
himself in the UK it's too small to

2031
01:15:31,970 --> 01:15:29,820
support many of the alleged large

2032
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:31,980
creatures or Cryptids seen by many and

2033
01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:34,080
you said as much earlier oh yeah do you

2034
01:15:38,510 --> 01:15:36,300
think that some of these creatures there

2035
01:15:41,090 --> 01:15:38,520
may be projections that mask the true

2036
01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:41,100
appearance of the entity behind it and

2037
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:42,659
do you think that they may put in and

2038
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:44,640
out of a reality I think they're

2039
01:15:48,649 --> 01:15:46,920
definitely and popping in and out of our

2040
01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:48,659
reality is a good way to say in in and

2041
01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:50,940
out of our sphere of existence is what I

2042
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,580
tend to say uh and I definitely think

2043
01:15:57,649 --> 01:15:55,440
that's what's happening I've touched on

2044
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:57,659
the fact that we've got 525 square miles

2045
01:16:02,209 --> 01:16:01,199
of forest more and and sort of I don't

2046
01:16:04,130 --> 01:16:02,219
know

2047
01:16:07,010 --> 01:16:04,140
farming land on the North Yorkshire

2048
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,020
Moore's National Park huge area could it

2049
01:16:13,490 --> 01:16:10,320
support a breeding population of what

2050
01:16:16,490 --> 01:16:13,500
would be I imagine carnivorous

2051
01:16:19,550 --> 01:16:16,500
three to five hundred pound creatures

2052
01:16:21,649 --> 01:16:19,560
that came to the size of a bear no I

2053
01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:21,659
don't believe for one second it could do

2054
01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:23,699
I believe that these things are real yes

2055
01:16:28,729 --> 01:16:26,100
but the the scene intermittently and the

2056
01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:28,739
scene in places where throughout time

2057
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,840
throughout folklore these things have

2058
01:16:34,370 --> 01:16:33,360
been reported incidentally Brock's a

2059
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,380
forest

2060
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:36,480
where the three guys from Rotherham saw

2061
01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:38,940
what they believe they called a werewolf

2062
01:16:42,649 --> 01:16:40,620
a broxer

2063
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,659
In some cultures is a shapeshifter

2064
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:44,880
they're in a forest called named after a

2065
01:16:48,610 --> 01:16:46,560
shape-shifter which is a strange name

2066
01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:48,620
very close to a place called hackness

2067
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:51,420
literally two miles from hackness which

2068
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:53,520
in ancient times was called hachanos

2069
01:16:59,390 --> 01:16:56,000
meaning with the whiskers you know

2070
01:17:02,630 --> 01:16:59,400
there's loads of very close to East atom

2071
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:02,640
and the bar guests of East ayton I'm not

2072
01:17:07,250 --> 01:17:05,640
I'm not reporting anything new I we're

2073
01:17:10,010 --> 01:17:07,260
just we're just Sutter retreading the

2074
01:17:11,930 --> 01:17:10,020
step footsteps of people decades

2075
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:11,940
probably hundred years of years ago have

2076
01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:14,040
reported these things and they're still

2077
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:16,140
getting reported in present day do I

2078
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:17,640
believe that the real yes do I believe

2079
01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:19,440
that there's a breeding population of

2080
01:17:24,649 --> 01:17:21,980
these things no

2081
01:17:26,930 --> 01:17:24,659
next question from Harry thanks to Harry

2082
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:26,940
for this over in patreon again what are

2083
01:17:30,890 --> 01:17:28,620
your thoughts on the NATO human

2084
01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:30,900
mutilation documentary I don't know if

2085
01:17:36,169 --> 01:17:32,520
you've seen that

2086
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:36,179
are we talking about Tony Dodd uh UFOs

2087
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:39,239
and NATO uh and the one that Richard D

2088
01:17:42,770 --> 01:17:41,040
Hall did a bit of work on

2089
01:17:44,450 --> 01:17:42,780
I think so because the rest of the

2090
01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:44,460
question reads in particular the way

2091
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,920
that they talk about UFOs appearing they

2092
01:17:50,570 --> 01:17:48,719
could detect UFOs coming into certain

2093
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,580
areas and then military personnel would

2094
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:52,560
secure Landing sites until the Americans

2095
01:17:58,250 --> 01:17:55,679
turned up yeah well if the only

2096
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:58,260
knowledge I've got of that strangely

2097
01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:59,280
enough

2098
01:18:03,530 --> 01:18:01,320
where do you think that if we're talking

2099
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:03,540
about the UFOs and NATO and the ones I'm

2100
01:18:07,070 --> 01:18:05,340
talking about what Tony Dodd researched

2101
01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:07,080
uh if anybody's not familiar with Tony

2102
01:18:11,870 --> 01:18:09,900
Donnie were prolific UFO researcher I

2103
01:18:15,530 --> 01:18:11,880
think you're a policing police detective

2104
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:15,540
inspector uh uh back in the 1990s he's

2105
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:17,880
passed away now Tony and I did exchange

2106
01:18:21,770 --> 01:18:19,620
a lot of Correspondence women regarding

2107
01:18:24,169 --> 01:18:21,780
xs894 the lightning that crashed over

2108
01:18:28,610 --> 01:18:24,179
the North Sea back in September the 8th

2109
01:18:30,890 --> 01:18:28,620
1970. now UFOs and NATO where and the

2110
01:18:32,570 --> 01:18:30,900
the human mutilations where do you think

2111
01:18:35,870 --> 01:18:32,580
the human mutilations were taking place

2112
01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:35,880
in the forests where wolf lands has been

2113
01:18:40,250 --> 01:18:37,560
filmed where the gamekeepers have been

2114
01:18:43,490 --> 01:18:40,260
seeing the Cryptids uh where the the

2115
01:18:45,709 --> 01:18:43,500
broxa forest all very close dalby Forest

2116
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,719
that that's the only knowledge that I've

2117
01:18:51,290 --> 01:18:48,480
got and there's so many similarities to

2118
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:51,300
a lot of what's happening today with the

2119
01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:52,860
shape mutilations and everything I'm not

2120
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:54,120
sure I've answered your question

2121
01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:56,040
adequately there because you may have

2122
01:18:58,910 --> 01:18:57,960
been talking about something else but I

2123
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:58,920
know that there was something done in

2124
01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:02,400
the UK okay UFOs and NATO and the actual

2125
01:19:06,169 --> 01:19:04,440
location where they were doing it is the

2126
01:19:07,970 --> 01:19:06,179
forest where we're filming wolf lands

2127
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,980
and we're not dealing with the Cryptids

2128
01:19:11,450 --> 01:19:10,080
and the UFOs which is uncanny treading

2129
01:19:14,689 --> 01:19:11,460
in other people's footsteps once again

2130
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:14,699
people I'm not recognizing around how do

2131
01:19:19,550 --> 01:19:17,580
you know to ask them do you still get in

2132
01:19:21,649 --> 01:19:19,560
touch with Richard D Hall

2133
01:19:25,850 --> 01:19:21,659
I haven't spoke to Richard for a few

2134
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:25,860
years uh so no I'm not I I guess I'm not

2135
01:19:30,890 --> 01:19:29,520
but we were on good terms uh I don't

2136
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:30,900
know what year it was but when I were

2137
01:19:34,330 --> 01:19:32,880
filming the world's UFOs so probably no

2138
01:19:37,790 --> 01:19:34,340
2007

2139
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,800
a guy that lives up on a staxton wall

2140
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:39,360
near the RAF base

2141
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,360
a farmer he has a collection of UFO

2142
01:19:46,010 --> 01:19:44,159
videos and I don't think anybody's got

2143
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,020
more UFO related material than this guy

2144
01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:48,480
in the world and he has cameras on cams

2145
01:19:54,050 --> 01:19:52,140
sweeping 24 7 and he contacted me years

2146
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:54,060
ago and myself and Steve ashbridge met

2147
01:20:00,350 --> 01:19:56,880
him and met him not just several times

2148
01:20:02,689 --> 01:20:00,360
lots of times and looked at his footage

2149
01:20:03,709 --> 01:20:02,699
and he contacted Richard D Hall you're

2150
01:20:05,930 --> 01:20:03,719
probably thinking what's he gone to

2151
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,940
Farmer for and imagine Richard Hill he

2152
01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:07,199
contacted Richard

2153
01:20:10,970 --> 01:20:09,300
and Richard came through to stay for a

2154
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:10,980
few days and wanted to film this guy I

2155
01:20:14,209 --> 01:20:13,199
wanted to talk about his UFO footage and

2156
01:20:16,910 --> 01:20:14,219
he backed out

2157
01:20:18,290 --> 01:20:16,920
and and this Farm a guy contacted me

2158
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:18,300
says Paul will you do it because I don't

2159
01:20:21,770 --> 01:20:19,920
want to do it and we're having a walk

2160
01:20:23,450 --> 01:20:21,780
with my wife and my dog in Dane's Dyke

2161
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:23,460
at the time jumped straight in my van

2162
01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:25,620
and Richard did a documentary off the

2163
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:26,640
cuff

2164
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,560
everything nothing

2165
01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:30,960
no questions such a pre-warned about

2166
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,820
anything I just arrived and did it so

2167
01:20:37,010 --> 01:20:34,800
there's a documentary out there a short

2168
01:20:38,570 --> 01:20:37,020
documentary around 20 minutes 40 minutes

2169
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,580
I don't know how long it is about the

2170
01:20:42,530 --> 01:20:40,560
world's UFOs and myself and Richard D

2171
01:20:45,709 --> 01:20:42,540
Hall and Richard wanted to do some other

2172
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:45,719
stuff with me and uh at the time I was

2173
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:49,260
working and just timed in wouldn't allow

2174
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,480
if you know that's fair uh question from

2175
01:20:57,410 --> 01:20:53,520
Mark Mark asks do you have any more

2176
01:20:58,130 --> 01:20:57,420
updates on the hummingbay incident

2177
01:21:00,110 --> 01:20:58,140
um

2178
01:21:02,990 --> 01:21:00,120
we've got another that's this this this

2179
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,000
is probably as big as Rendell schum it's

2180
01:21:07,610 --> 01:21:05,760
the most incredible UFO event that I've

2181
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:07,620
ever I've ever looked at and every time

2182
01:21:10,850 --> 01:21:08,820
I talk about it people think it's

2183
01:21:13,070 --> 01:21:10,860
amazing not because Paul's talking just

2184
01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:13,080
because of the the amount of information

2185
01:21:19,390 --> 01:21:15,540
that's there and if you give us a

2186
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:19,400
summary of what it is 19 1996 97 98

2187
01:21:24,169 --> 01:21:21,840
industrial unit on the outskirts of the

2188
01:21:25,850 --> 01:21:24,179
village of hunmanby Hunnam is featured

2189
01:21:27,709 --> 01:21:25,860
in Wolf lands it means Farmstead of the

2190
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,719
Hound man that's what it means in

2191
01:21:31,490 --> 01:21:30,239
hundman B and that's the village and

2192
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:31,500
this is the place where people plan to

2193
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:33,060
be seeing these bipedal creatures for

2194
01:21:37,729 --> 01:21:36,000
hundreds of years it's all right

2195
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:37,739
industrial unit on the outskirts of

2196
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,940
hummingbay back in 96 97 98 three guys

2197
01:21:46,189 --> 01:21:43,920
are working on this unit the Boston tool

2198
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,199
guys and the the doing the spraying

2199
01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:48,960
high-end Motor Vehicles this restoring

2200
01:21:54,110 --> 01:21:51,960
open top buses Fairground rides

2201
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:54,120
June July and August June July and

2202
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:55,679
August 96

2203
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:59,280
Poltergeist activity starts to happen

2204
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:00,960
Stones falling from the air not just

2205
01:22:06,290 --> 01:22:03,960
little Pebbles and Falls of stones

2206
01:22:07,490 --> 01:22:06,300
dropping from there there's no Upper

2207
01:22:09,470 --> 01:22:07,500
Floor to this building you can drive

2208
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:09,480
double decker buses in it huge shutter

2209
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,400
doors at one huge shutter doors at the

2210
01:22:14,689 --> 01:22:13,199
others bottom right hand corner you've

2211
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,699
got a toilet block above that you've got

2212
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:17,040
his office everything else is open

2213
01:22:20,930 --> 01:22:19,500
washers flying about like steel washers

2214
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:20,940
it's in the it's in the sides of the

2215
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:23,760
building lumps of wood falling oh all

2216
01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:25,920
the light bulbs flicker in and the power

2217
01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:28,980
banging off in the in the warehouse and

2218
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:31,140
the the radio that's plugged in you said

2219
01:22:35,630 --> 01:22:32,760
a brief summary because this is really

2220
01:22:39,290 --> 01:22:35,640
long the radio that's plugged in

2221
01:22:41,810 --> 01:22:39,300
still playing yeah there's no power on

2222
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:41,820
that that happened June July and August

2223
01:22:48,050 --> 01:22:46,080
96 97 arrives similar things cars with

2224
01:22:49,729 --> 01:22:48,060
no batteries impact up in the compound

2225
01:22:52,490 --> 01:22:49,739
radio's playing

2226
01:22:54,530 --> 01:22:52,500
also all sorts of things the boss locks

2227
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,540
up one night these guys the two guys

2228
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:56,159
that worked with him had this was a

2229
01:23:01,550 --> 01:22:59,280
second job they had full-time jobs as as

2230
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,560
painters and sprayers one of them one

2231
01:23:04,850 --> 01:23:03,360
was a signwriter in the day and on a

2232
01:23:06,410 --> 01:23:04,860
night back in 98 they're trying to

2233
01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:06,420
afford you live in more money they'd

2234
01:23:09,649 --> 01:23:07,980
come and work with him at the warehouse

2235
01:23:11,689 --> 01:23:09,659
and they'd stay till

2236
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,699
sometimes three in the morning sometimes

2237
01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:13,440
just ten at night do you see they'd go

2238
01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:15,780
to home ability and go up there

2239
01:23:21,050 --> 01:23:18,900
97 similar thing bosses why locking up

2240
01:23:22,610 --> 01:23:21,060
one night turns round there's only a few

2241
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:22,620
eunuchs on this place at that time

2242
01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:25,080
there's a huge

2243
01:23:29,149 --> 01:23:27,060
this looks like a Bigfoot stood in front

2244
01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:29,159
of him where does that fit in with

2245
01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:32,040
Poltergeist activity he said I backed up

2246
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:34,260
to fence call took a massive breath and

2247
01:23:37,490 --> 01:23:35,760
it just turned and walked into it down

2248
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:37,500
and she said once again I only saw this

2249
01:23:41,570 --> 01:23:38,940
huge outline

2250
01:23:44,689 --> 01:23:41,580
so that's an odd one huge footprints on

2251
01:23:46,729 --> 01:23:44,699
the car but no damage to the car all all

2252
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:46,739
three cars while they're working there

2253
01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:48,840
right we've got to that's that's a brief

2254
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,980
summary of 96 97 get to 98.

2255
01:23:56,209 --> 01:23:54,239
they

2256
01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:56,219
all this has happened it's like this

2257
01:24:00,649 --> 01:23:58,500
Poltergeist activity the coins dropping

2258
01:24:02,810 --> 01:24:00,659
from there jam jars falling from the air

2259
01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:02,820
old money falling as foreign money

2260
01:24:08,570 --> 01:24:06,120
falling Andrew Andrew Asquith one of the

2261
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:08,580
witnesses the to have spoken see the I

2262
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:10,500
spoke to all three but one just refuse

2263
01:24:16,850 --> 01:24:14,400
us to to go any further uh

2264
01:24:18,350 --> 01:24:16,860
Angel got cocky with the phenomena as he

2265
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,360
said and they all believe he did as well

2266
01:24:21,770 --> 01:24:20,400
he said he was he was shouting at it and

2267
01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:21,780
asking it to give him lottery numbers

2268
01:24:26,209 --> 01:24:24,300
give me some money I can spend

2269
01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:26,219
he said now just turned around after I'm

2270
01:24:31,850 --> 01:24:28,860
preparing a car and this this circle's

2271
01:24:33,530 --> 01:24:31,860
coming towards me in slow motion and it

2272
01:24:36,410 --> 01:24:33,540
hits me in the middle of the head

2273
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:36,420
says it hurt like mad he says like

2274
01:24:39,649 --> 01:24:37,380
you're going slow he says and I'm

2275
01:24:41,390 --> 01:24:39,659
spinning round on floor and there's a

2276
01:24:43,010 --> 01:24:41,400
coin stuck to his head other two

2277
01:24:45,470 --> 01:24:43,020
remember it and say it were funny

2278
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:45,480
because it served him right you know if

2279
01:24:49,130 --> 01:24:47,340
you're all shouting at this what were

2280
01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:49,140
they called the phenomena

2281
01:24:53,090 --> 01:24:51,540
now people are and Andy asked for an

2282
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:53,100
overview of this I've literally just

2283
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:54,239
skimmed this

2284
01:25:00,530 --> 01:24:57,360
tons and tons to it but it culminated in

2285
01:25:02,209 --> 01:25:00,540
1998 with a the

2286
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,219
shutter doors at the bottom of the

2287
01:25:05,450 --> 01:25:04,320
compound are open that's about eight

2288
01:25:08,090 --> 01:25:05,460
foot

2289
01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:08,100
and they're working during the night

2290
01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:10,260
and I should have said that the other

2291
01:25:13,610 --> 01:25:12,060
witness Davey's mum and dad used to come

2292
01:25:15,470 --> 01:25:13,620
over the three-year period on a night

2293
01:25:17,570 --> 01:25:15,480
and just sit they probably wanted to see

2294
01:25:19,070 --> 01:25:17,580
their son and they liked having a talk

2295
01:25:22,189 --> 01:25:19,080
to other tool acts and then they'd go

2296
01:25:23,630 --> 01:25:22,199
home and they'd come most nights

2297
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:23,640
and

2298
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,920
you see this silent story seems now

2299
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,600
disjointed guys because I've not been

2300
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,000
able to go through it but Andrew says I

2301
01:25:33,649 --> 01:25:32,400
walked down to the front of these

2302
01:25:36,530 --> 01:25:33,659
shutters and looked out into the

2303
01:25:38,510 --> 01:25:36,540
compound he said there's a UFO

2304
01:25:40,910 --> 01:25:38,520
he said you can't be real he still says

2305
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:40,920
he can't be realistic like a film set

2306
01:25:43,850 --> 01:25:42,480
he says I can hear a noise like an

2307
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:43,860
helicopter but it's not an helicopter

2308
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:45,600
the summit humming he says well this is

2309
01:25:50,330 --> 01:25:49,080
like a classic 1950s 60s what you'd seen

2310
01:27:08,330 --> 01:25:50,340
a

2311
01:27:10,370 --> 01:27:08,340
but they weren't stubbed together it's

2312
01:27:12,169 --> 01:27:10,380
weird they're all working together in

2313
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:12,179
uni he said

2314
01:27:15,950 --> 01:27:14,520
I'd see three Dave Dave's about six foot

2315
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:15,960
six foot one he says a lot taller than

2316
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:17,580
me he says and they were in tight

2317
01:27:22,189 --> 01:27:19,500
fitting suits that looked like wetsuits

2318
01:27:24,649 --> 01:27:22,199
it says they've got big heads

2319
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:24,659
he said um the three of them he says I I

2320
01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:26,159
don't know what they were

2321
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,260
he said now what up front of building an

2322
01:27:32,030 --> 01:27:30,239
open side door a military grabbed out of

2323
01:27:34,510 --> 01:27:32,040
me with guns

2324
01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:34,520
real nasty bees

2325
01:27:38,990 --> 01:27:37,560
threatened me and everything and so then

2326
01:27:40,189 --> 01:27:39,000
I get to other one or didn't want to

2327
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:40,199
tell me much

2328
01:27:44,990 --> 01:27:43,260
and I asked him because the Andrew had

2329
01:27:47,570 --> 01:27:45,000
already said he saw him walking into the

2330
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:47,580
mist and disappear so I said did you see

2331
01:27:52,189 --> 01:27:50,400
the being did you see anything he says I

2332
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:52,199
saw one he says but I didn't see he said

2333
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,719
I could see it amongst the Mist so my

2334
01:27:58,370 --> 01:27:56,880
last question to him was

2335
01:27:59,629 --> 01:27:58,380
Andrew said that because he would have

2336
01:28:00,410 --> 01:27:59,639
asked that first I wouldn't have got any

2337
01:28:01,910 --> 01:28:00,420
more

2338
01:28:03,950 --> 01:28:01,920
I said Andrew said he saw you walking

2339
01:28:05,810 --> 01:28:03,960
down the compound into the into this

2340
01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:05,820
Mist they said I don't have no

2341
01:28:09,950 --> 01:28:07,800
recollection of that and that were all I

2342
01:28:12,410 --> 01:28:09,960
got from him but his mom do you know the

2343
01:28:14,570 --> 01:28:12,420
mum and dad who

2344
01:28:17,870 --> 01:28:14,580
I mean there's UFO sightings prior to it

2345
01:28:19,850 --> 01:28:17,880
days before triangles and we've got all

2346
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:19,860
that this is it's just too big woman but

2347
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,600
it's in truth Pro free and I think it's

2348
01:28:25,729 --> 01:28:23,520
about 12 000 words you could have wrote

2349
01:28:27,169 --> 01:28:25,739
a book about it to be honest with you uh

2350
01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:27,179
mum and dad

2351
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:29,400
were driving

2352
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:31,620
to the warehouse

2353
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:33,900
there's a military roadblock setup

2354
01:28:39,229 --> 01:28:36,480
not not camouflaged Vehicles black

2355
01:28:41,330 --> 01:28:39,239
Vehicles stop their car took them inside

2356
01:28:43,370 --> 01:28:41,340
a van there's do they believe military

2357
01:28:46,370 --> 01:28:43,380
personnel all in black

2358
01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:46,380
and know where we live know everything

2359
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,600
about us just basically threatened old

2360
01:28:52,729 --> 01:28:51,360
man and old woman they weren't old to be

2361
01:28:55,729 --> 01:28:52,739
honest with you then but do you know

2362
01:28:58,970 --> 01:28:55,739
what I mean uh but still alive today and

2363
01:29:01,310 --> 01:28:58,980
and released them and so they they got a

2364
01:29:03,410 --> 01:29:01,320
tilling off now the question was have I

2365
01:29:05,810 --> 01:29:03,420
any more on the honor be incident yes

2366
01:29:08,890 --> 01:29:05,820
we've got a guy that they had a small

2367
01:29:12,169 --> 01:29:08,900
red hatchback car got a guy

2368
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:12,179
1998 driving home

2369
01:29:15,649 --> 01:29:13,440
excuse me

2370
01:29:17,090 --> 01:29:15,659
sees a small red hatchback car slew

2371
01:29:18,770 --> 01:29:17,100
across the road

2372
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:18,780
the old couple

2373
01:29:24,110 --> 01:29:21,600
looking up at a big black triangle and

2374
01:29:25,790 --> 01:29:24,120
he's looking at it with them uh just

2375
01:29:28,129 --> 01:29:25,800
before hummingbay now we don't know

2376
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:28,139
whether they got stopped after that or

2377
01:29:32,689 --> 01:29:30,719
before that there's absolutely tons to

2378
01:29:34,510 --> 01:29:32,699
hummingbree uh just like there is to

2379
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:34,520
Will's thought and

2380
01:29:38,750 --> 01:29:37,199
1998 that Hillside that we were on about

2381
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:38,760
at Benton

2382
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,040
Rock Anglers claimed that a UFO landed

2383
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:43,920
on the hillside they call it a spaceship

2384
01:29:50,030 --> 01:29:47,040
that that's 1998. coast guards at

2385
01:29:51,649 --> 01:29:50,040
hornsey 1998 when we think it's

2386
01:29:53,570 --> 01:29:51,659
connected to home but we haven't got a

2387
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:53,580
date I've spoke to the actual Coast

2388
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:55,860
Guard driving into work says that he

2389
01:29:58,729 --> 01:29:57,120
stopped we're a military roadblock

2390
01:30:01,370 --> 01:29:58,739
where's haunted compared to home and be

2391
01:30:03,950 --> 01:30:01,380
about 15 miles away maybe 16 miles away

2392
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:03,960
as the crow flies and he says there's a

2393
01:30:08,330 --> 01:30:06,000
big triangle hovering in a field that's

2394
01:30:11,330 --> 01:30:08,340
a coast guard retired now and I've spoke

2395
01:30:13,970 --> 01:30:11,340
to him uh

2396
01:30:16,430 --> 01:30:13,980
we think it's it's 1998 but we don't

2397
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:16,440
know if it's August 1998.

2398
01:30:21,709 --> 01:30:18,480
prolific year for UFO related

2399
01:30:24,410 --> 01:30:21,719
information well on sightings and other

2400
01:30:26,890 --> 01:30:24,420
bits and bats thanks for summarizing

2401
01:30:29,209 --> 01:30:26,900
that I know it's a big story

2402
01:30:31,090 --> 01:30:29,219
two or three hours

2403
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:31,100
I love the fact though that you got

2404
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:32,880
two-thirds of the way through it and

2405
01:30:36,830 --> 01:30:35,280
then said and then it gets odd uh given

2406
01:30:38,810 --> 01:30:36,840
what you just talked about beforehand as

2407
01:30:40,729 --> 01:30:38,820
well it's just it's fascinating so yeah

2408
01:30:42,169 --> 01:30:40,739
thanks for that and again people I

2409
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:42,179
recommend you do pick up the books to

2410
01:30:45,470 --> 01:30:43,920
hear these more and see read these in

2411
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:45,480
more detail as well

2412
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,800
um a couple of last questions from

2413
01:30:50,090 --> 01:30:48,480
listeners we've got Rachel over on

2414
01:30:52,129 --> 01:30:50,100
YouTube and again thank you to all the

2415
01:30:54,110 --> 01:30:52,139
YouTube viewers so hi because you can

2416
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,120
actually see this and to those that are

2417
01:30:58,729 --> 01:30:56,400
now sending questions through as well

2418
01:31:00,350 --> 01:30:58,739
um could I ask if Paul has ever

2419
01:31:02,149 --> 01:31:00,360
considered hypnotic regression

2420
01:31:04,729 --> 01:31:02,159
concerning his memories of possible

2421
01:31:07,790 --> 01:31:04,739
alien encounters

2422
01:31:10,729 --> 01:31:07,800
no I haven't to be honest uh

2423
01:31:12,649 --> 01:31:10,739
I I well say no and then I contradict

2424
01:31:14,689 --> 01:31:12,659
myself I spoke about it once to a guy

2425
01:31:16,129 --> 01:31:14,699
called Derek Tyler he's I don't know if

2426
01:31:17,149 --> 01:31:16,139
anybody I recommend that you try and get

2427
01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:17,159
him on your show he's really

2428
01:31:23,810 --> 01:31:18,780
knowledgeable really interesting guy

2429
01:31:26,570 --> 01:31:23,820
Derek Tyler American guy his role alien

2430
01:31:28,490 --> 01:31:26,580
paradigm shift and he's wrote Alien

2431
01:31:30,410 --> 01:31:28,500
something the difficult truth I'll get

2432
01:31:32,930 --> 01:31:30,420
you the names Andy and he spoke it

2433
01:31:35,090 --> 01:31:32,940
contacting the desert as well and and

2434
01:31:37,070 --> 01:31:35,100
Derek kind of said something that rang

2435
01:31:38,450 --> 01:31:37,080
rang home to me said well he said you

2436
01:31:40,270 --> 01:31:38,460
know you might not be able to remember

2437
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:40,280
he said because

2438
01:31:45,229 --> 01:31:42,840
you might not want to remember you might

2439
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:45,239
not you know you might not need to

2440
01:31:49,370 --> 01:31:47,400
remember the stuff that could come back

2441
01:31:50,990 --> 01:31:49,380
to you but I don't want anything to turn

2442
01:31:53,209 --> 01:31:51,000
to either to a person who asked that

2443
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:53,219
question because it would have been so

2444
01:31:59,330 --> 01:31:55,920
easy to write write night people and and

2445
01:32:01,070 --> 01:31:59,340
kind of lie and fill in but all I've got

2446
01:32:02,510 --> 01:32:01,080
is my dad waking me up for that first

2447
01:32:04,430 --> 01:32:02,520
account and looking at a spirit of light

2448
01:32:06,110 --> 01:32:04,440
going through along rooftops at

2449
01:32:07,970 --> 01:32:06,120
mexborough I've not said in that night

2450
01:32:10,189 --> 01:32:07,980
then aliens came and stuff like that

2451
01:32:12,169 --> 01:32:10,199
because I haven't sometime after child

2452
01:32:14,990 --> 01:32:12,179
don't write a diary

2453
01:32:18,050 --> 01:32:15,000
as in the curtains you know you know and

2454
01:32:19,550 --> 01:32:18,060
just loads of cameos of events I haven't

2455
01:32:20,930 --> 01:32:19,560
considered that and I don't think I

2456
01:32:23,149 --> 01:32:20,940
would thank you

2457
01:32:24,530 --> 01:32:23,159
no that's that's fair it's it's not a

2458
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:24,540
nice thing to potentially have to go

2459
01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:26,639
through and you mentioned Whitley stuber

2460
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:28,980
and his hypnotic regression tapes are

2461
01:32:33,229 --> 01:32:31,199
available on his website and those are

2462
01:32:36,350 --> 01:32:33,239
horrifying just the screams alone that

2463
01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:36,360
come through so it's quite an intimate

2464
01:32:39,430 --> 01:32:37,800
thing and I know we're probably tight

2465
01:32:41,570 --> 01:32:39,440
for time but you know

2466
01:32:42,890 --> 01:32:41,580
lots of the names but both my grand

2467
01:32:44,750 --> 01:32:42,900
grandsons have had some strange

2468
01:32:46,250 --> 01:32:44,760
experiences and my daughters have

2469
01:32:48,050 --> 01:32:46,260
allowed me to record them and they don't

2470
01:32:49,070 --> 01:32:48,060
remember now these are little little

2471
01:32:51,649 --> 01:32:49,080
children

2472
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:51,659
uh I'll give you an example

2473
01:32:56,930 --> 01:32:53,760
I've got son-in-law and daughter

2474
01:32:57,890 --> 01:32:56,940
teachers no that means bugger all in

2475
01:32:59,290 --> 01:32:57,900
grand scheme of things but the

2476
01:33:01,790 --> 01:32:59,300
responsible jobs

2477
01:33:03,649 --> 01:33:01,800
bedroom floor Bang

2478
01:33:05,810 --> 01:33:03,659
this fell out of bed again

2479
01:33:07,729 --> 01:33:05,820
fell out of bed again the goal will call

2480
01:33:09,410 --> 01:33:07,739
him John I think I've named him in book

2481
01:33:11,570 --> 01:33:09,420
anyway but and they know I've wrote

2482
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:11,580
about him I did get permission I didn't

2483
01:33:16,430 --> 01:33:13,920
just do it that's fine put him back in

2484
01:33:18,410 --> 01:33:16,440
bed and he gets to Edge at bed

2485
01:33:20,270 --> 01:33:18,420
why don't you sleep in middle of bed

2486
01:33:22,189 --> 01:33:20,280
what's the matter with you where and all

2487
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,199
his toys are lined up on wall along

2488
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:24,480
beside that bed I used to do this action

2489
01:33:27,950 --> 01:33:26,340
meant everything to stop him

2490
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:27,960
you don't know any of this he wouldn't

2491
01:33:31,550 --> 01:33:29,280
he wouldn't he wouldn't have even

2492
01:33:34,669 --> 01:33:31,560
watched a film about aliens or anything

2493
01:33:37,129 --> 01:33:34,679
you know the real careful way and they

2494
01:33:38,689 --> 01:33:37,139
asked him why why his dad Nick I says

2495
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,699
why are you why are you sleeping on edge

2496
01:33:41,570 --> 01:33:40,320
at bed you keep falling out it's because

2497
01:33:43,610 --> 01:33:41,580
of the man

2498
01:33:45,410 --> 01:33:43,620
I said what do you mean the man it comes

2499
01:33:47,930 --> 01:33:45,420
through a hole in the wall

2500
01:33:49,970 --> 01:33:47,940
and he picks me up and he tries to eat

2501
01:33:52,129 --> 01:33:49,980
me but he doesn't eat me and we shoot

2502
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:52,139
down throw the hole in the wall

2503
01:33:56,450 --> 01:33:54,719
this is a little boy we're not five year

2504
01:33:58,669 --> 01:33:56,460
old I think you were about four four

2505
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:58,679
years old and he's talking about this

2506
01:34:03,050 --> 01:34:00,960
then we've got other one who's shouting

2507
01:34:03,950 --> 01:34:03,060
for his sisters or you know another

2508
01:34:06,530 --> 01:34:03,960
daughter

2509
01:34:07,370 --> 01:34:06,540
it says there's two two blue men in his

2510
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:07,380
room

2511
01:34:15,229 --> 01:34:13,080
and this happened over a couple of days

2512
01:34:17,209 --> 01:34:15,239
and I spoke to him about it and he said

2513
01:34:19,550 --> 01:34:17,219
they float me I said what do you mean

2514
01:34:21,770 --> 01:34:19,560
they float me they float me and I say on

2515
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:21,780
this recording and nobody's ever heard

2516
01:34:26,450 --> 01:34:24,960
recordings I say for anybody who's who's

2517
01:34:28,370 --> 01:34:26,460
interested I was listening to this he's

2518
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:28,380
pointing to the light bulb

2519
01:34:32,510 --> 01:34:30,239
that's an it's saying they float because

2520
01:34:35,570 --> 01:34:32,520
in real sort of

2521
01:34:37,729 --> 01:34:35,580
real poor vocabulary vocabulary this

2522
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:37,739
little lad uh he likes to play out other

2523
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,560
ones quite switched on he's not Daft but

2524
01:34:43,850 --> 01:34:42,239
he likes to play out in just a boy's

2525
01:34:46,490 --> 01:34:43,860
things you know they float me but these

2526
01:34:48,350 --> 01:34:46,500
were little Lads four-year-old and uh

2527
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:48,360
there's no there's no memory of it now

2528
01:34:53,209 --> 01:34:50,880
do you know what I mean absolutely no

2529
01:34:54,350 --> 01:34:53,219
memory of it right at all we didn't

2530
01:34:56,570 --> 01:34:54,360
intend to get to that because you're

2531
01:34:58,490 --> 01:34:56,580
asking questions so sorry Andy no no

2532
01:35:00,350 --> 01:34:58,500
that that's that's fair and again see as

2533
01:35:02,149 --> 01:35:00,360
a father like that's that's a terrifying

2534
01:35:04,370 --> 01:35:02,159
thing and to some people and with an

2535
01:35:06,590 --> 01:35:04,380
interest in the UFO subject any sort of

2536
01:35:08,450 --> 01:35:06,600
abduction of experience it's just a

2537
01:35:10,610 --> 01:35:08,460
story and it's it's dismissive and

2538
01:35:12,590 --> 01:35:10,620
that's fine because I saw

2539
01:35:13,790 --> 01:35:12,600
a so little hard concrete evidence

2540
01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:13,800
unless you've gone through it yourself

2541
01:35:19,129 --> 01:35:17,340
so some of his like myself have never

2542
01:35:21,169 --> 01:35:19,139
had those experiences but are happy to

2543
01:35:23,810 --> 01:35:21,179
to take that testimony in the story at

2544
01:35:25,370 --> 01:35:23,820
face value and listen to those and as a

2545
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:25,380
father that's horrifying to Think You

2546
01:35:28,129 --> 01:35:26,639
Know That Someone's Child could go

2547
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,139
through that let alone a grown a grown

2548
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:30,000
adult you know so thanks for sharing

2549
01:35:33,229 --> 01:35:31,199
that as well

2550
01:35:35,629 --> 01:35:33,239
um and finally a question from read

2551
01:35:37,729 --> 01:35:35,639
speed over on YouTube Paul and another

2552
01:35:39,950 --> 01:35:37,739
researcher witnessed a light orb or

2553
01:35:41,570 --> 01:35:39,960
plasma phenomena on an operation in the

2554
01:35:43,370 --> 01:35:41,580
UK and I'd like to hear a little bit

2555
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:43,380
more on your thoughts of what these

2556
01:35:46,729 --> 01:35:44,639
could be

2557
01:35:50,030 --> 01:35:46,739
so we're talking about I believe you're

2558
01:35:52,669 --> 01:35:50,040
talking about the the light yeah the the

2559
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:52,679
light form that I saw with Lee Haywood

2560
01:36:01,310 --> 01:35:58,320
uh on November the 14th 2019.

2561
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:01,320
I don't know uh my thoughts what they

2562
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,440
could be it

2563
01:36:07,550 --> 01:36:05,760
some people when I say it's a portal

2564
01:36:09,110 --> 01:36:07,560
this thing was huge it's the most

2565
01:36:12,770 --> 01:36:09,120
spectacular thing I've ever seen on The

2566
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:12,780
Cliff tops of standby saying it uh Lee

2567
01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:15,360
could be found on social media you could

2568
01:36:19,129 --> 01:36:17,400
ask him he's a real articulate guy so

2569
01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:19,139
you know I'm not I'm not embellishing

2570
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,120
what we saw I'm setting the camera up on

2571
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:23,280
Cliff tops looking out to see to try and

2572
01:36:27,229 --> 01:36:24,719
film these are what we call the life

2573
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:27,239
forms intelligent light forms I turn

2574
01:36:31,310 --> 01:36:28,800
around and just in front of the Hill

2575
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:31,320
that we've just been talking about in

2576
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:33,600
the field with us is a huge sphere of

2577
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,520
light Lee said the influence that the

2578
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:37,440
light with giving off was about the size

2579
01:36:42,410 --> 01:36:40,320
of a Volkswagen vehicle it was huge

2580
01:36:43,310 --> 01:36:42,420
and as fast as I'm bringing this camera

2581
01:36:46,250 --> 01:36:43,320
around

2582
01:36:47,870 --> 01:36:46,260
it's just when it's gone

2583
01:36:50,209 --> 01:36:47,880
and uh

2584
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:50,219
I don't know uh you I mean you touched

2585
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:51,840
on it earlier I think that I think that

2586
01:36:56,990 --> 01:36:54,239
these things can just enter our sphere

2587
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:57,000
of existence and exit our sphere of

2588
01:37:01,250 --> 01:36:58,080
existence

2589
01:37:04,490 --> 01:37:01,260
I wouldn't say at will but uh whenever

2590
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:04,500
they want basically and once again to

2591
01:37:07,970 --> 01:37:06,000
the person who asked the question I do

2592
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:07,980
apologize because I've I've not answered

2593
01:37:11,689 --> 01:37:09,360
your question adequately I think there's

2594
01:37:14,209 --> 01:37:11,699
loads of people out there you know where

2595
01:37:15,410 --> 01:37:14,219
who do answer the questions adequately

2596
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,420
but I don't think they know what they're

2597
01:37:19,129 --> 01:37:17,520
talking about does that and that's not

2598
01:37:20,810 --> 01:37:19,139
no I'm not throwing insults out at

2599
01:37:23,450 --> 01:37:20,820
people I just think that there's too

2600
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:23,460
many people will be able to I know

2601
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,199
what's happening I'll tell you what's

2602
01:37:30,649 --> 01:37:27,600
happening I know this and you don't know

2603
01:37:32,930 --> 01:37:30,659
nothing I don't if you did we'd all be

2604
01:37:35,629 --> 01:37:32,940
listening to you today or we'd all be

2605
01:37:37,550 --> 01:37:35,639
sort of doting on every word you say and

2606
01:37:39,229 --> 01:37:37,560
as I say that I'm not labeling anybody

2607
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,239
in that but a lot of the questions that

2608
01:37:42,770 --> 01:37:41,520
I'm asked I am unable to answer because

2609
01:37:45,890 --> 01:37:42,780
I don't think I've got any more

2610
01:37:47,450 --> 01:37:45,900
knowledge than you guys

2611
01:37:48,770 --> 01:37:47,460
and you know what I think people will

2612
01:37:50,629 --> 01:37:48,780
appreciate the way you're being honest

2613
01:37:51,890 --> 01:37:50,639
rather than you could embellish and you

2614
01:37:53,930 --> 01:37:51,900
could make something up and you could

2615
01:37:55,729 --> 01:37:53,940
you could expand on it but you know that

2616
01:37:56,930 --> 01:37:55,739
give me a message you know what I mean

2617
01:37:58,610 --> 01:37:56,940
some people say when I got this message

2618
01:38:00,169 --> 01:37:58,620
and they've told me where they're from

2619
01:38:01,850 --> 01:38:00,179
but I'd rather not say at this moment

2620
01:38:03,770 --> 01:38:01,860
but they have told me

2621
01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:03,780
yeah that'll be in the next book yeah

2622
01:38:10,370 --> 01:38:08,390
um listen just before we go I want to

2623
01:38:12,110 --> 01:38:10,380
touch on a few things on a quick fire

2624
01:38:13,370 --> 01:38:12,120
round I've not had done this for quite a

2625
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:13,380
while but I'd like to bring it back for

2626
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:15,960
2023 it's very popular and I've done a

2627
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:17,760
quick fire Omnibus for a few folks over

2628
01:38:20,750 --> 01:38:19,199
the last couple of weeks well I've took

2629
01:38:22,850 --> 01:38:20,760
my little break that was very popular as

2630
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:22,860
well so thanks for all the nice feedback

2631
01:38:26,030 --> 01:38:24,600
on that if you've not heard it go back

2632
01:38:27,950 --> 01:38:26,040
and listen folks because there was a lot

2633
01:38:29,930 --> 01:38:27,960
of old interviewers where guests get to

2634
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:29,940
fire through a few topics we didn't get

2635
01:38:34,430 --> 01:38:31,920
into in the body of the interview

2636
01:38:35,930 --> 01:38:34,440
um for this Paul is few words or as much

2637
01:38:37,729 --> 01:38:35,940
as you want to say on each of these

2638
01:38:39,229 --> 01:38:37,739
usually a few sentences at most just

2639
01:38:40,610 --> 01:38:39,239
with time constraints

2640
01:38:42,890 --> 01:38:40,620
um the first one being the rendition

2641
01:38:45,050 --> 01:38:42,900
encounter what are your thoughts

2642
01:38:46,510 --> 01:38:45,060
something happened where I doubt I think

2643
01:38:49,850 --> 01:38:46,520
something happened

2644
01:38:52,490 --> 01:38:49,860
I've spoke to Brenda Butler

2645
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,500
on on many occasions I spoke to a

2646
01:38:55,790 --> 01:38:53,760
Lighthouse Keeper who was actually

2647
01:38:58,910 --> 01:38:55,800
working there from flambrehead where I

2648
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,920
am now I've spoke to Colonel Holt quite

2649
01:39:03,110 --> 01:39:00,480
extensively

2650
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:03,120
they it wasn't a lighthouse that they

2651
01:39:07,310 --> 01:39:04,800
saw flashing through that forest in my

2652
01:39:10,430 --> 01:39:07,320
opinion I've also spoke to a British

2653
01:39:13,010 --> 01:39:10,440
radar operator who was on the base very

2654
01:39:16,490 --> 01:39:13,020
close to I think it was from Watton RAF

2655
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:16,500
Watton and a face-to-face meeting where

2656
01:39:21,169 --> 01:39:18,960
the Americans he told me came a few days

2657
01:39:23,930 --> 01:39:21,179
after the alleged rendlesham Forest

2658
01:39:25,610 --> 01:39:23,940
encounter and took away their tapes and

2659
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,620
they were told never to speak about what

2660
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:27,360
they'd witnessed because they'd seen

2661
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:29,040
these objects as well

2662
01:39:32,450 --> 01:39:30,960
I've tried to line him up with Colonel

2663
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:32,460
Holt because he were in conjunction when

2664
01:39:36,290 --> 01:39:34,560
Hulk came through to the UK and we both

2665
01:39:38,750 --> 01:39:36,300
spoke at a conference and he wouldn't

2666
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,760
speak to him but I still think there's a

2667
01:39:42,649 --> 01:39:40,560
possibility that could happen this guy

2668
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,659
had just had a major operation

2669
01:39:46,010 --> 01:39:44,159
and they lived about six miles from me

2670
01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:46,020
which is uncanny you know

2671
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:48,179
your thoughts on the deck montwood's

2672
01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:49,679
incident

2673
01:39:54,169 --> 01:39:52,020
once again I know this is Malcolm

2674
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,179
Robinson's uh he's done a lot of

2675
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:55,679
research on it

2676
01:39:59,390 --> 01:39:57,840
I don't know enough about the deck Mount

2677
01:40:00,770 --> 01:39:59,400
Woods I'm glad you could pronounce that

2678
01:40:03,169 --> 01:40:00,780
because I had said Derma or something

2679
01:40:05,530 --> 01:40:03,179
silly but I don't know enough about it

2680
01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:05,540
but I would imagine that this this

2681
01:40:10,490 --> 01:40:08,820
incident something happened but other

2682
01:40:13,010 --> 01:40:10,500
than just saying that I haven't got

2683
01:40:14,689 --> 01:40:13,020
enough knowledge to to comment I'm sorry

2684
01:40:16,250 --> 01:40:14,699
no that's fine and if anyone wants to

2685
01:40:17,689 --> 01:40:16,260
hear more on that I interviewed Malcolm

2686
01:40:19,370 --> 01:40:17,699
Robinson and we touched on it at that

2687
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:19,380
time as well and you can go back into

2688
01:40:24,290 --> 01:40:21,900
the archives and the Calvin photograph

2689
01:40:26,570 --> 01:40:24,300
which of course in 2022 we saw the

2690
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:26,580
original print of the photograph what is

2691
01:40:29,390 --> 01:40:28,320
your thoughts on on what's contained

2692
01:40:31,310 --> 01:40:29,400
within it

2693
01:40:34,010 --> 01:40:31,320
well it's an incredible photograph it's

2694
01:40:35,689 --> 01:40:34,020
just a Pity that the people alleged who

2695
01:40:38,090 --> 01:40:35,699
allegedly took the photograph have not

2696
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:38,100
come forward to add a bit of validity

2697
01:40:41,629 --> 01:40:39,840
because I know that

2698
01:40:43,490 --> 01:40:41,639
some better thinking Minds than myself

2699
01:40:44,930 --> 01:40:43,500
have said that this is a reflection and

2700
01:40:47,570 --> 01:40:44,940
it doesn't make you pause for thought

2701
01:40:50,090 --> 01:40:47,580
that it's a plum Bob all sorts of

2702
01:40:52,490 --> 01:40:50,100
suggestions to what it could be

2703
01:40:55,010 --> 01:40:52,500
I don't know I don't know not being very

2704
01:40:57,229 --> 01:40:55,020
good here am I no that's fine I'd rather

2705
01:40:59,209 --> 01:40:57,239
get honesty I'll tell you what I'd like

2706
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:59,219
to say it's a plug for night people

2707
01:41:03,950 --> 01:41:01,679
Malcolm Robinson says that night people

2708
01:41:05,810 --> 01:41:03,960
is the best book on alien abduction he's

2709
01:41:07,970 --> 01:41:05,820
ever read

2710
01:41:09,950 --> 01:41:07,980
and and that's uh that's Hefty praise

2711
01:41:11,930 --> 01:41:09,960
and Malcolm is a good guest as well back

2712
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:11,940
in the day I think that was 2021 I spoke

2713
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:17,510
it's like the old for any this is a

2714
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:18,719
niche reference between the Allen

2715
01:41:22,430 --> 01:41:20,400
Partridge fans but he's got his

2716
01:41:24,110 --> 01:41:22,440
autobiography and he says uh lovely

2717
01:41:27,050 --> 01:41:24,120
stuff not my words the words of shaking

2718
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:27,060
Stevens so yeah I I don't often get to

2719
01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:29,840
quote Alan Partridge on the podcast

2720
01:41:34,250 --> 01:41:33,060
more often yeah yeah I will I will back

2721
01:41:37,609 --> 01:41:34,260
of the net

2722
01:41:39,770 --> 01:41:37,619
um uh do you prefer the term UFO or UAP

2723
01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:39,780
don't mind we're talking about the same

2724
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,540
thing aren't we uh I probably not not an

2725
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:44,159
old school but probably because I've

2726
01:41:49,370 --> 01:41:47,520
used UFOs so much I'd still continue to

2727
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,380
use UFO but I've no have nothing against

2728
01:41:53,330 --> 01:41:51,119
it it's a bit like

2729
01:41:55,609 --> 01:41:53,340
werewolf dog man is as though as though

2730
01:41:57,229 --> 01:41:55,619
it as though we have to sort of be in

2731
01:41:59,629 --> 01:41:57,239
one camp or other I think ultimately

2732
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,639
we're dealing with same thing

2733
01:42:04,910 --> 01:42:01,199
and finally what does the word

2734
01:42:11,629 --> 01:42:07,490
not a lot if we're not gonna get it

2735
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,629
I don't know are we gonna get disclosure

2736
01:42:19,490 --> 01:42:16,560
I know we touched on the fact earlier

2737
01:42:21,770 --> 01:42:19,500
you know now that America the American

2738
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,780
powers that we are talking more openly

2739
01:42:25,729 --> 01:42:24,239
about the subjects in the UK will it

2740
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:25,739
will it snowball and will we get that

2741
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:28,080
knock on effect will that be disclosure

2742
01:42:31,550 --> 01:42:30,000
will we ever get disclosure I don't know

2743
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,560
I think they just keep moving the goal

2744
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:33,360
posts I think you know they'll just make

2745
01:42:37,490 --> 01:42:34,800
them a little bit wider they're just

2746
01:42:39,229 --> 01:42:37,500
telling us what we need to know so I

2747
01:42:42,290 --> 01:42:39,239
think depending on what America the

2748
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:42,300
Americans disclose

2749
01:42:47,090 --> 01:42:46,080
will sort of have a knock-on effect to

2750
01:42:49,850 --> 01:42:47,100
what

2751
01:42:51,410 --> 01:42:49,860
how far we go with the subject uh

2752
01:42:54,530 --> 01:42:51,420
whether we ever get full disclosure I

2753
01:42:56,209 --> 01:42:54,540
don't know do we need full disclosure uh

2754
01:42:58,370 --> 01:42:56,219
you know when when there's enough people

2755
01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:58,380
out there that all know that there's

2756
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,119
some reality to what we're dealing with

2757
01:43:06,050 --> 01:43:02,880
do we actually need a go do I need a

2758
01:43:07,850 --> 01:43:06,060
government an elite power from anywhere

2759
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:07,860
in the world to tell me what I

2760
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:09,360
experienced

2761
01:43:15,950 --> 01:43:12,780
or something else or to validify it for

2762
01:43:17,930 --> 01:43:15,960
me as in a way I suppose once again you

2763
01:43:20,270 --> 01:43:17,940
contradict yourself in a way it would it

2764
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,280
would it would help if they did openly

2765
01:43:24,169 --> 01:43:22,080
come out and said you know we do believe

2766
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:24,179
that people have had these experiences

2767
01:43:28,970 --> 01:43:26,639
for decades and decades and decades and

2768
01:43:31,310 --> 01:43:28,980
we do have proof of that at least

2769
01:43:32,810 --> 01:43:31,320
you know you could sort of what's the

2770
01:43:34,669 --> 01:43:32,820
word hold your head up and think well

2771
01:43:36,350 --> 01:43:34,679
you know when you snared and you left

2772
01:43:38,090 --> 01:43:36,360
and you thought this guy's talking what

2773
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:38,100
a load of rubbish and you're not gonna

2774
01:43:40,970 --> 01:43:39,600
get it just for that just for myself

2775
01:43:42,830 --> 01:43:40,980
that would be the only way I'd look at

2776
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:42,840
it whether we get disclosure I don't

2777
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,920
know

2778
01:43:46,970 --> 01:43:45,360
there's a lot of different ways people

2779
01:43:49,370 --> 01:43:46,980
look at it and I thought this was really

2780
01:43:51,169 --> 01:43:49,380
interesting Peter lavender the author uh

2781
01:43:52,970 --> 01:43:51,179
alongside Tom Delong of the secret

2782
01:43:55,010 --> 01:43:52,980
machines books

2783
01:43:56,830 --> 01:43:55,020
um he put a tweet yesterday to say

2784
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:56,840
people really need to think about

2785
01:44:02,209 --> 01:43:59,520
disclosure or contact away from being

2786
01:44:03,890 --> 01:44:02,219
the old White House lawn landing and he

2787
01:44:06,169 --> 01:44:03,900
talked about what if one day the whole

2788
01:44:07,609 --> 01:44:06,179
world had the same dream you know some

2789
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,619
intelligence through our Consciousness

2790
01:44:11,629 --> 01:44:09,840
reached in we all woke up and that was

2791
01:44:14,090 --> 01:44:11,639
it that was contact and that's how it

2792
01:44:16,129 --> 01:44:14,100
happened instead of that would be ship

2793
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:16,139
lands yeah that would be fabulous and

2794
01:44:19,850 --> 01:44:18,480
and why and the White House lawn I know

2795
01:44:24,530 --> 01:44:19,860
that's a scenario that's been thrown out

2796
01:44:27,410 --> 01:44:24,540
lots of times but unless unless some

2797
01:44:29,570 --> 01:44:27,420
Elite empowering within the world know

2798
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:29,580
the agenda and know exactly what these

2799
01:44:32,930 --> 01:44:30,719
things are

2800
01:44:34,990 --> 01:44:32,940
we've been very very

2801
01:44:38,090 --> 01:44:35,000
sort of I don't know we've been very

2802
01:44:40,370 --> 01:44:38,100
boastful thinking that they'd want to

2803
01:44:42,890 --> 01:44:40,380
land on White House lawn they seem to

2804
01:44:45,290 --> 01:44:42,900
choose the non-descript people why did

2805
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:45,300
why did they choose a

2806
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:48,000
uninteresting little boy in Old denaby

2807
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:51,360
back in 1967. why are they why do they

2808
01:44:56,990 --> 01:44:53,280
choose people driving a lonely road up

2809
01:44:59,810 --> 01:44:57,000
somewhere in Scotland at 3am uh to to

2810
01:45:02,030 --> 01:44:59,820
make their presence known uh why do they

2811
01:45:05,090 --> 01:45:02,040
choose people

2812
01:45:07,250 --> 01:45:05,100
of of no real note and that's not to

2813
01:45:11,629 --> 01:45:07,260
knock the people to be the to be the

2814
01:45:14,810 --> 01:45:11,639
messenger of of to bring forward the

2815
01:45:18,250 --> 01:45:14,820
truth do they actually consider any us

2816
01:45:21,290 --> 01:45:18,260
to be anything other than I don't know

2817
01:45:23,629 --> 01:45:21,300
look upon us with the same kind of uh

2818
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:23,639
intent as what they'd look on any animal

2819
01:45:28,729 --> 01:45:26,159
within the or insect within the the the

2820
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:28,739
the the the planet Earth I don't know us

2821
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:30,960
was that special really we might not be

2822
01:45:34,910 --> 01:45:33,600
we think

2823
01:45:36,410 --> 01:45:34,920
um one thing I want to touch on you've

2824
01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:36,420
mentioned a few times Paul I said we

2825
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:37,920
would get it in at some point you've

2826
01:45:41,629 --> 01:45:40,080
mentioned wolf lands is a documentary

2827
01:45:42,649 --> 01:45:41,639
that you've been working on yeah can you

2828
01:45:44,510 --> 01:45:42,659
tell the listeners a little bit about

2829
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:44,520
what that is and when that may be coming

2830
01:45:48,770 --> 01:45:46,800
out wolf lands is finished it's just

2831
01:45:50,209 --> 01:45:48,780
having the music added to it now it's as

2832
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:50,219
I said it took us three years I know

2833
01:45:54,830 --> 01:45:52,560
kovid knocked it back a bit it's just

2834
01:45:56,990 --> 01:45:54,840
first-hand accounts of people within

2835
01:45:59,870 --> 01:45:57,000
Eastern North Yorkshire that's up as far

2836
01:46:01,550 --> 01:45:59,880
as skinning Grove uh which is on way up

2837
01:46:03,649 --> 01:46:01,560
from North Yorkshire Coastal claimed to

2838
01:46:06,890 --> 01:46:03,659
have seen something looking to a

2839
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:06,900
werewolf and uh once again I never

2840
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:08,159
thought I'd been going down this road

2841
01:46:12,410 --> 01:46:10,320
but I think it's Unique I don't think

2842
01:46:13,550 --> 01:46:12,420
there's been I suppose people would say

2843
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,560
that but I've not been bragging about

2844
01:46:17,629 --> 01:46:15,840
the books like that I think wolf lands

2845
01:46:20,450 --> 01:46:17,639
is unique and when you see the amount of

2846
01:46:22,609 --> 01:46:20,460
work that's gone into it it's not just a

2847
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,619
Talking Heads where people sit in a cafe

2848
01:46:25,970 --> 01:46:24,480
saying what they'd seen and then you get

2849
01:46:28,850 --> 01:46:25,980
a flashback to some plastic looking

2850
01:46:31,129 --> 01:46:28,860
monster in in the woods that we've we've

2851
01:46:34,129 --> 01:46:31,139
been in the forests we've tried the

2852
01:46:37,129 --> 01:46:34,139
footsteps of these people and and slept

2853
01:46:39,229 --> 01:46:37,139
nights in the forest with them and we've

2854
01:46:41,570 --> 01:46:39,239
got their accounts warts and all it's

2855
01:46:44,450 --> 01:46:41,580
just fabulous wolf lands is fabulous I'm

2856
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:44,460
sorry for saying anymore no that's as

2857
01:46:47,390 --> 01:46:46,080
your work it's your it's your baby and

2858
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:47,400
others that have put the hard work into

2859
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:49,199
that as well when are we expecting that

2860
01:46:52,669 --> 01:46:50,400
to be released if you've got a rough

2861
01:46:54,410 --> 01:46:52,679
date I should think we're only probably

2862
01:46:57,709 --> 01:46:54,420
about a month away before we start

2863
01:46:59,330 --> 01:46:57,719
pitching it uh you know we'll see what

2864
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:59,340
we can do with it first see whether we

2865
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:00,960
don't know whether we'll manage to get

2866
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:03,119
it on Netflix uh I've got a contact

2867
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:05,280
that's that might be able to get get us

2868
01:47:09,770 --> 01:47:08,400
in there but we might not as well but

2869
01:47:11,689 --> 01:47:09,780
that's where we're gonna we're gonna

2870
01:47:13,790 --> 01:47:11,699
start there and we'll just we'll just go

2871
01:47:15,530 --> 01:47:13,800
with it but when I say

2872
01:47:17,629 --> 01:47:15,540
unless Drake's filmed wolf lands he's

2873
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:17,639
been he's been instrumental in filming

2874
01:47:22,250 --> 01:47:19,679
it with me for the last three years so

2875
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,260
it's well he's a it's a 50 50 Venture so

2876
01:47:26,689 --> 01:47:24,480
it's not just Paul Les has got involved

2877
01:47:28,609 --> 01:47:26,699
in it as well as Dre and if anybody

2878
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:28,619
knowledge here

2879
01:47:31,970 --> 01:47:30,719
The Beatles wasn't just John Lennon and

2880
01:47:34,129 --> 01:47:31,980
Paul McCartney there was George and

2881
01:47:36,109 --> 01:47:34,139
Ringo as well yeah good point yeah

2882
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:36,119
that's that's fair no lesson Paul you've

2883
01:47:38,510 --> 01:47:37,199
been great with your team this has been

2884
01:47:40,250 --> 01:47:38,520
well worth the wait I'm sure the

2885
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:40,260
listeners have enjoyed it as well how

2886
01:47:43,629 --> 01:47:42,000
can people follow you how can they

2887
01:47:46,609 --> 01:47:43,639
follow your work and watch your channel

2888
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:46,619
we've got a Truth uh YouTube channel

2889
01:47:51,050 --> 01:47:48,960
which is truth proof uh that we live

2890
01:47:53,810 --> 01:47:51,060
stream most Thursdays at seven o'clock

2891
01:47:56,330 --> 01:47:53,820
get a good interactive audiences over

2892
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:56,340
200 in last week uh if anybody's

2893
01:48:00,109 --> 01:47:57,840
interested in the books the paperback

2894
01:48:03,169 --> 01:48:00,119
books can be found on the truthproof.uk

2895
01:48:05,090 --> 01:48:03,179
website the Kindle versions of the books

2896
01:48:07,550 --> 01:48:05,100
are on Amazon and you can also get the

2897
01:48:09,850 --> 01:48:07,560
books on eBay and anybody just wants to

2898
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:09,860
find me Paul Sinclair

2899
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,159
ilf gmail.com and I'd love to hear about

2900
01:48:19,129 --> 01:48:17,040
any accounts any strange stories if you

2901
01:48:20,689 --> 01:48:19,139
want to remain anonymous I'd still want

2902
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:20,699
to hear about it if you never want me to

2903
01:48:24,050 --> 01:48:22,080
write about it I still want to hear

2904
01:48:26,030 --> 01:48:24,060
about it this is the nature of the game

2905
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:26,040
I don't just want to listen to people's

2906
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:27,600
accounts of the only ones I can write

2907
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:29,760
about you know there's lots of people

2908
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:31,199
out there that never want the names

2909
01:48:35,149 --> 01:48:33,360
mentioned or even talked about I'm sat

2910
01:48:38,270 --> 01:48:35,159
on a couple of really interesting cases

2911
01:48:39,950 --> 01:48:38,280
now which I will talk about them if I

2912
01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:39,960
get chance but I've got to have the nod

2913
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,320
to do it foreign

2914
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,400
that's great Paul listen it's been

2915
01:48:47,209 --> 01:48:46,080
wonderful speaking to you and like I

2916
01:48:48,609 --> 01:48:47,219
said I genuinely would love to have you

2917
01:48:51,770 --> 01:48:48,619
back on and in there

2918
01:48:53,629 --> 01:48:51,780
fabulous thank you brilliant that is all

2919
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,639
for this week's show thank you very much

2920
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:55,679
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2932
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2933
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foreign

2934
01:50:00,350 --> 01:49:53,080
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2935
01:50:03,470 --> 01:50:01,609
to the game

2936
01:50:05,330 --> 01:50:03,480
it didn't matter I can't imagine how it

2937
01:50:07,850 --> 01:50:05,340
could have been any better I got to the

2938
01:50:17,570 --> 01:50:07,860
top of stairs like you awake I was not

2939
01:50:17,580 --> 01:50:34,250
myself

2940
01:50:50,290 --> 01:50:41,380
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2941
01:51:05,290 --> 01:50:52,610
over there

2942
01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:10,790
consider your space

2943
01:51:54,350 --> 01:51:19,910
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2944
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:57,470
it's very